Please DONT GO TO ACES PAWN SHOP

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Not justifying the shops stance or how they treated you and your father, but if it bothered you that much about the lock, the $5 and the mag issue enough to go through the effort to post here, why didn’t you just take your business elsewhere?

And although you are right about the standard capacity mag if you possess it legally, why even bother and set yourself up for conflict? Just bring a 10-round mag and make it easier for yourself. Blows my mind when I read stories about guys who do things that simply make it harder for themselves. Whenever I go in to purchase and pick up a firearm I just do it by the book and have never had a problem and always been a seamless, hassle free transaction.

[ARDude]

There are a lot of dealers make you buy a lock. Even tho you have a safe. I have encountered both types of dealers. When it comes down to it, I'm happy that I got the firearm.

Also about the LCM's...they are illegal. Just can't be cited/arrested for them at this time.

[The Gleam]

I’ll never do business with them again either. Did a ppt with a gun that had the lock it came with from the factory and they still made me buy a new lock. “You don’t have a receipt for it.”

And for those saying, “lock wasn’t CA approved.” The lock they made me buy was the EXACT same lock, model and all, that was supplied with the gun in the box for PPT.

For all locals, drive the extra 20 minutes and go to Ryenex in Chino. Those guys are straight shooters! No BS! And they have you in and out in 15 minutes

Everyone talking about receipts for purchase of a lock in the past 30-days; that's not required at all. Utter nonsense.

All that is required is that a CA approved lock "is provided". That was obviously the case in your scenario; there should have been no reason or requirement that they made you buy a lock from them.

Some will say it's no big deal, but there are quite a few FFLs then demanding $20.00 of a lock that is about $1.00 in value/quality, which you don't need in the first place when one is provided. See this a lot with such stores on PPTs, where the seller is including a CA Approved lock with the gun.

Scam.

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[200Apples]

"We're doing you gun owners a FAVOR"...

That's a bad attitude, and it's also a lie.


FFLs are REQUIRED by law to facilitate firearms transfers, but there's not enough money in PPTs alone to keep their rent paid and their lights on... so some FFLs take advantage and put the customer on the defensive by accosting them with these insignificant but egregious fees and/or "lock" prices...

[The Gleam]

"We're doing you gun owners a FAVOR"...

That's a bad attitude, and it's also a lie.


FFLs are REQUIRED by law to facilitate firearms transfers, but there's not enough money in PPTs alone to keep their rent paid and their lights on... so some FFLs take advantage and put the customer on the defensive by accosting them with these insignificant but egregious fees and/or "lock" prices...

They would make more money if they were simply helpful and good salesmen and avoided the penny-ante and illegal extortion fees; again, missed opportunity due to lousy business acumen. Penny-wise, pound foolish.

Any gun store salesmen that can't make a legitimate sale on two people who by law have been forced to be customers in his store - one with newly acquired cash in his pocket, the other with a newly acquired gun who likely needs ammo and/or accessories - sucks balls as a businessman or salesman, probably sucks at life too.

I would love to have any business that forces the endless opportunities and potential of customers onto me - by law.

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[mr goodguy]

Soon there will be no ffl in California.
Lol

[M1NM]

They really didn't rip you off for $5. It cost them 2-3 for the lock so they are willing to screw up their customer satisfaction for 2-3 dollars.

[Sir Toast]

Put it on Yelp.

[robledor]

Once again its not about the money...it is the attitude and terrible customer service. #2 I made the mistake of not using my usual FFL for the past 3 transfers (not ppt) except where I sold one gun but bought some stuff and the other guy bought some more guns. #3 I will never use aces thievery shop ever again. #4 Chris has a horrible attitude and will soon get a wake up call if he keeps it up. #5 I have purchased many many guns and have never had a problem until today over a stupid lock. Even after he delivered the gun he still would not allow us to return the lock. He would rather loose business over 5 bucks. Terrible terrible attitude.

[Like2fly]

Soon there will be no ffl in California.
Lol

[robledor]

Nope then tell me why I have never had an attitude with Dave over at shoot so cal or with many other FFLS. ONCE AGAIN ITS NOT ABOUT THE 5 BUCKS. ITS ABOUT THE ATTITUDE. Do you not comprehend or understand? We will always have FFLS we need GOOD FFLS not bad ones to stay. Also there will always be someone to start a business if they see the opportunity.

[golfish]

Make no mistake, its not revenge he's after, its the reckoning

[Librarian]

Everyone talking about receipts for purchase of a lock in the past 30-days; that's not required at all. Utter nonsense.

All that is required is that a CA approved lock "is provided".
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No, the 'is provided' language is Federal - 18 USC 922 (z)

(z) Secure gun storage or safety device. --

(1) In general. --Except as provided under paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to sell, deliver, or transfer any handgun to any person other than any person licensed under this chapter, unless the transferee is provided with a secure gun storage or safety device (as defined in section 921(a)(34) ) for that handgun.

But, CA FFLs must also obey CA law - in this case

23635.

(a) Any firearm sold or transferred in this state by a licensed firearms dealer, including a private transfer through a dealer, and any firearm manufactured in this state, shall include or be accompanied by a firearm safety device that is listed on the Department of Justice’s roster of approved firearm safety devices and that is identified as appropriate for that firearm by reference to either the manufacturer and model of the firearm, or to the physical characteristics of the firearm that match those listed on the roster for use with the device.

(b) The sale or transfer of a firearm shall be exempt from subdivision (a) if both of the following apply:

(1) The purchaser or transferee owns a gun safe that meets the standards set forth in Section 23650. Gun safes shall not be required to be tested, and therefore may meet the standards without appearing on the Department of Justice roster.

(2) The purchaser or transferee presents an original receipt for purchase of the gun safe, or other proof of purchase or ownership of the gun safe as authorized by the Attorney General, to the firearms dealer. The dealer shall maintain a copy of this receipt or proof of purchase with the dealer’s record of sales of firearms.

(c) The sale or transfer of a firearm shall be exempt from subdivision (a) if all of the following apply:

(1) The purchaser or transferee purchases an approved safety device no more than 30 days prior to the day the purchaser or transferee takes possession of the firearm.

(2) The purchaser or transferee presents the approved safety device to the firearms dealer when picking up the firearm.

(3) The purchaser or transferee presents an original receipt to the firearms dealer, which shows the date of purchase, the name, and the model number of the safety device.

(4) The firearms dealer verifies that the requirements in paragraphs (1) to (3), inclusive, have been satisfied.

(5) The firearms dealer maintains a copy of the receipt along with the dealer’s record of sales of firearms.

See also the wiki -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...es.2C_and_Laws

The 30-day thing is still nonsense, but not on the part of the dealer.

As to the rest of the dealer's behaviors, no comment.

[robledor]

All that is required is that a CA approved lock "is provided". That was obviously the case in your scenario; there should have been no reason or requirement that they made you buy a lock from them.

Some will say it's no big deal, but there are quite a few FFLs then demanding $20.00 of a lock that is about $1.00 in value/quality, which you don't need in the first place when one is provided. See this a lot with such stores on PPTs, where the seller is including a CA Approved lock with the gun.


This is why I'm upset. I even brought a portable safe with me to show him
The purchaser or transferee presents the approved safety device to the firearms dealer when picking up the firearm.
But then its my fault and I'm "triggered". I DONT LIKE BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE. I and hope you people don't get treated this way either when confronted he said something like deuces. Really? But whatever I warned y'all. Just go to rynex or shoot socal . Way way better.

[robledor]

No I don't always get this upset only when people try to rip me off or scam me.. guess your ok with FFLS scamming you for that matter. I have never had a food server try to scam me if that happens I will let you know or better yet video tape it for your viewing pleasure.