Kel-Tec Sending guns to Ukraine !

[whutsup40]

You don't "charge into battle with a 9 mm Rifle. You hide and pick off the enemy one man at a time. It's called "Guerilla Warfare" and that's how the CIA taught the Ukrainians to fight over the last 8 years. And that's what they are doing right now.

Only another Major Army could go head to head with the Russians, but the Afghans beat them with less than these guys have now. Stingers, RPG's and AK's was all they had to fight with. but they were able to make the Russians pay too high a price so they left. Thing was there was little of value in Afghan land. But the Ukraine was the Bread Basket of the Soviet Union and Putin wants it back..

The problem with this war is that the Russians are destroying the place so there won't be much to go home to but Farm Land.

I only hope that the world sucks up every cent Russia has laying around and gives it the Ukrainians to rebuild their country. Hello War Reparations!

Randy

That my friend is very well said!! 9mm is not my first option, But better then a baseball bat or what ever they have now!! And f*&@ Puten also

[k1dude]

The problem with this war is that the Russians are destroying the place so there won't be much to go home to but Farm Land.

I only hope that the world sucks up every cent Russia has laying around and gives it the Ukrainians to rebuild their country. Hello War Reparations!

Randy

The problem is Ukraine is as corrupt as Russia. Any money you give them will simply line the pockets of the Ukrainian oligarchs, Soros, and politicians. Anything left over will line the pockets of China. They've offered to rebuild Ukraine at prices we couldn't come close to matching. Just like China has done in Africa and Central/South America.

I hope I'm wrong, but likely I'm right.

Slava Ukraini!

[MissiontoMars]

Charging into battle with a 9mm rifle would not be my choice.

Agree, not what i would choose, but with a 20-30 round mag or 3, and some good gun oil, definitely better than nothing, especially to use to then take rifles off the ruskies.

[Angrysnarf]

[Quiet]

I saw an interview on BBC of a Ukraine former government official who had a Sub 2000 beside him. He said he bought it at a firearms store in Kyiv two weeks before the invasion.

The BBC reporter was incredulous that he was able to buy it.

In the days leading up to the Russian invasion, the Ukrainian legislature voted to repeal all of their weapon control laws.

None of the EU news agencies reported on this.

[dmcag69]

Is the secret fun switch installed or is it semi auto

[dmcag69]

And 33 round magazines included or limited capacity

[DaveInOroValley]

Like a modern day Liberator only more firepower ammo wise.

[TMB 1]

Simo Hayha used a Soumi 9mm for a lot of his kills.

https://www.swatvault.com/departments/long-guns/finnish-soumi-kp-31-submachine-gun/

[fendter]

Charging into battle with a 9mm Keltec rifle would not be my choice.

fixed it for you

[deckhandmike]

Like a modern day Liberator only more firepower ammo wise.

Yep, it will fit in your backpack or grocery bag. Better than a sharp stick.

[johncage]

i hope people realize when they arm the civilians they can't cry about all the civilian deaths that are going to ensue as if they were innocent bystanders

[Munny$hot]

Charging into battle with a 9mm rifle would not be my choice.

Charging into battle with a 9mm rifle would not be my choice.

fixed it for you

Actually I fixed it for you:
"If Kel-Tec wanted to help Ukraine to win, they should send their guns to Russia"

[SharedShots]

The problem is Ukraine is as corrupt as Russia. Any money you give them will simply line the pockets of the Ukrainian oligarchs, Soros, and politicians. Anything left over will line the pockets of China. They've offered to rebuild Ukraine at prices we couldn't come close to matching. Just like China has done in Africa and Central/South America.

I hope I'm wrong, but likely I'm right.

Slava Ukraini!

This, so much.^^^^

Who got paid $500,000 to make a speech in Russia? Bill Clinton. Who then worked the deal to sell US Uranium to Russia? Hillary Clinton. Who reaped millions from business dealing in Ukraine? The Bidens.

The war for those here in the USA, is a look there but not here thing. The guns being sent to Ukraine is more of a feel good than anything of substance, but Kel-Tec does get the E for effort. Ukraine doesn't need small arms, what they need isn't anything anyone can give them now, they needed it all before the country was invaded.

The Russians aren't playing with 9mm anything and in case no one is watching, they don't do this BS room clearing tacti Johnny nonsense, they blow the entire building. Its the way they fight and have always fought all the way back to WWII. We clear rooms, the Russians back off and level the building and it doesn't matter who is in it.

Meanwhile though, gun control laws get passed in the dark of night in WashDC and not even a ripple. Ukraine! Our own economy is being ravaged and set back decades or more and if it keeps going, it will be FUBR but UKRAINE! Our southern border is practically non-existent and will soon be nothing more than a rest stop but UKRAINE!

Now something to think about: What happens when leaders get on TV, radio and stream all over the world that they are arming their civilians and telling them to become part of the war? Anyone? They become non-uniformed combatants. How many of you know (those with prior mil service should know) how non-uniformed combatants are designated? I am sure there are still some here that served in that craphole of a disaster called Vietnam. What happened to non-uniformed combatants there? After the initial step back of the incomprehensible idea that children would pick up a rifle and kill you what happened? So then, just what do you think the Russian military is doing right now? They are leveling buildings without regard to who is inside and they aren't going to clear rooms looking for one person firing a 9mm POS from a window, they'll just destroy the building and everyone in it. Does that mean civilians shouldn't fight for their country? Hell no, I'm not even suggesting that idea but what the leadership shouldn't do is in front of the entire world tell the invaders that all their citizens are fair game. While it probably wouldn't change how the Russians deal with it, why make it easier for them later on when there are things like trials?

So far, Putin is mad but smart. We take mad and add stupid. We sent how much to Ukraine? Compared to what we sent and left in Afghanistan its a drop in the bucket but was our economy wrecked because of what we spent there? So why is our economy headed to a shambles now? Ukraine - look there but not here. Easy to blame everything on what is going on in Ukraine.

Is there some gun manufacturing shortage in Europe? Look how many people right in this forum complained non-stop about not being able to get 7.62x39 by the pallet so they could mad dump their AKs. The Euros can't send guns to Ukraine? Damn right they can. But hey, we need to feel good by doing something. Good for Kel-Tec, they did something but was it for the right reason?

Putin should be excised from existence, not even a question but what does that have to do with suddenly forgetting (as is so obvious) everything that has happened here over the last year and what will happen here that might no be able to be undone? Look there, not here. "Ukraine!"

There are a few people playing the fiddle and we as a nation are so easily manipulated by video and the media when some child is show all bloody or we hear reports about some building being bombed with civilians inside and for that we'll stop thinking and completely ignore what is going on right around us. Can we do more than one thing at a time, care about over there somewhere while paying attention over here? Yeah but do we? No.

The reason Putin was able to do what he is doing is because we don't keep our eye on the ball and instead are so easily distracted as a nation to every tear jerk issue and the result is "Ukraine!"

This is about Kel-Tec though and them sending 400 or so guns to Ukraine. Who thinks those guns are going to get to anyone fast enough to make a difference or even if they do would make a difference to anyone? The Russians are not fighting house to house, they are blowing up houses. The answer to an AK is not a 9mm anything. Oh, they can use them to pick off Russians and take their guns? Please, this isn't the movies.

Ukraine needed serious artillery and counter batteries AND the training and ability to position and use them. They have no way to counter Russian artillery. It should be they fire one, send 5 back. The equipment they needed is sitting in Afghanistan and the Europeans have it. They needed heavy lift transports to get materiel into the country. They needed an armed population and all of this they needed BEFORE the invasion and not as moronic PR videos after a good portion of their country was already under siege.

The weak can't help the weaker and we have been working hard to become weaker, politically and militarily over more than a decade.

So Ukraine lifted gun controls. Who thinks that remains such regardless of the outcome of the war? Are the Europeans going to get enlightened and realize that an armed population is a deterrence and not a solution after an invasion? How can you train a population after an invasion is already underway, hand out 9mm carbines and in 5 minutes tell them to go at it? All they become are casualties. The idea of an armed population isn't to repulse an aggressor its to make sure they know that if they try they can't win. Putin didn't go into Ukraine because he though he'd lose and he knew in general, the population was unarmed despite the glory snipits you hear about their Olympic and world game shotgun shooter and all that. The fact is not that many people have guns there and as soon as the war is over, no matter who is the victor, those guns will be taken away. But, are we learning anything?


Just a PS. Like perhaps some of you that have relatives there, they are saying things you aren't hearing about here. If everything was as is being reported then by now the Russian military would have been beaten into submission, every soldier would have gone awol and the entire Russian population would have revolted.

[Jimi Jah]

So now we give away rifles to a corrupt former Soviet state while our congress tries to take them away from our own citizens that have a constitutional right?