CA DROS Delay

[golfish]

Yeah man, go check out 2AZone. They're probably halfway between the 10 and 210 on Mountain.

[LMan57]

What happens if the firearm is a 1-in-30?

Do they tell you on Day 29, NO we won't release and we won't reDROS for 2 more days because you'll get rejected for 1-in-30?

Also, does that mean they cancel the DROS since it's technically open? Say it's for a receiver..

Are they really doing to have 2 active DROS open for the same make/model/serial number for the first few days of overlap? Seems strange..

1-in-30 not sure what you're asking?

After day 28 the dealer BP will cancel the DROS and refund the purchaser or start a new waiting period the purchaser's choice.

they can't have two open at the same time they cancel before starting the new waiting period.

[ugimports]

The 28 days is the last day you can pick up your gun with them if you pass the background check failing to do so you have to re-DROS they don't wait the 30 days so your window is from day 11 to day 28.

What happens if the firearm is a 1-in-30?

Do they tell you on Day 29, NO we won't release and we won't reDROS for 2 more days because you'll get rejected for 1-in-30?

Also, does that mean they cancel the DROS since it's technically open? Say it's for a receiver..

Are they really doing to have 2 active DROS open for the same make/model/serial number for the first few days of overlap? Seems strange..

[LMan57]

What do you mean 28 days max? Are you saying that Bass Pro is willing to release 2 days earlier than what the law allows? I'm a little confused on your 28 days vs 30 days.

Technically, on a delay, if it doesn't get approved or denied it will automatically changed to undetermined 720 hours + a few minutes from the start of the DROS. At that point the dealer has a 30 day window to deliver the firearm if they choose to.

The 28 days is the last day you can pick up your gun with them if you pass the background check failing to do so you have to re-DROS they don't wait the 30 days so your window is from day 11 to day 28.

[ugimports]

My FFL said 30 days start from day of "Delayed" notice
..
not the day of start dros..

so that wrong?

thanks in advance..

Your FFL must not have ever processed a DELAY. here's an example from a recent DELAY >> UNDETERMINED:
TRANSACTION DATE/TIME: 06/16/2022 04 : 52 : 59 PM
EARLIEST DELIVERY DATE/TIME: 07/17/2022 10 : 04 : 04 AM

Now, it should have only been a few minutes after 4:52pm on 7/16, but DOJ does suck. Maybe if I called in on 7/16 @ 5pm and asked they would have flipped it for me.

Transaction Date/Time was start of original DROS.
Delay came on 6/23.

[ugimports]

That is laughable nonsense of course.

The real reason for the delays and undetermined is that they get to keep or rather steal your DROS fee whether they do anything to earn the money or not.

They can sit there and do nothing with your DROS application and still male the $37 something fee for doing nothing.


We'll get to it when we can but if we can't we will still keep your money and stop looking into it after 30 days. But if you want us to pretend to look at it for another 30 days then pay us another $37 for doing nothing.

If any private business operated like that it would be considered a scam because that is exactly what it is. You paid for a service in this case the results of your background check. But if you didn't receive any results at all you should not have to pay for it. Any normal business if for some reason can't provide the service you paid for will gladly give your money back.

It's like if you walked into the DMV and pay forty dollars for a driver license. You expect to receive it in the mail a few days later but instead you get a letter telling you oh sorry we can't send you a driver license because we didn't get around to making it because we were busy with other things but we're keeping all your money anyway. Have a nice day.


If you are somehow legally allowed to keep your customer's money whether you do anything for them or not then there is zero incentive for you to do anything for them is there? That is called fraud and theft.

It's not entirely the same thing. In this case CA DOJ is doing the actual labor (supposedly), but they are waiting on results. It's the results they are waiting on that potentially are taking up to 30 days...so rather than wait for that courthouse in Temecula forever, it'll flip to undetermined.

You paid for a background check.
CA DOJ ran the background check.

Keep in mind..you even get a BG check for FREE after 30 days!!! Yes, because on undetermined they actually run a Federal BG Again! The original background check they run is only good for 30 days. So we (FFLs) have to get the new Federal NICS background check reference to document on the 4473.

What makes you believe they are doing nothing? Other than during Covid where hundreds/thousands were all delayed I have no reason to suspect that the few delays I received over the past 3 months were a random employee just doing nothing.

[ugimports]

if it's on there I entered it this is the same letter they send everyone that was undetermined. What sucks is Bass Pro does not go by the 30 days they go by 28 days max which don't seem legal to me they also make you wait 11 days not 10 days. So I will not be purchasing any firearms from them ever again.

What do you mean 28 days max? Are you saying that Bass Pro is willing to release 2 days earlier than what the law allows? I'm a little confused on your 28 days vs 30 days.

Technically, on a delay, if it doesn't get approved or denied it will automatically changed to undetermined 720 hours + a few minutes from the start of the DROS. At that point the dealer has a 30 day window to deliver the firearm if they choose to.

[LMan57]

Looks like you've been a bad boy. or maybe they have you confused with another person that has your name. I don't know if it makes a difference, that's why I asked about putting your SS number on the dros. It's not mandatory to do.

if it's on there I entered it this is the same letter they send everyone that was undetermined. What sucks is Bass Pro does not go by the 30 days they go by 28 days max which don't seem legal to me they also make you wait 11 days not 10 days. So I will not be purchasing any firearms from them ever again.

[golfish]

I got this in the Mail yesterday.

Looks like you've been a bad boy. or maybe they have you confused with another person that has your name. I don't know if it makes a difference, that's why I asked about putting your SS number on the dros. It's not mandatory to do.

[Creative300]

I was told by my FFL that the problem isn't with DOJ. The company that runs the DROS system is operated by a company in AZ. Apparently they had half their workforce up and quit on them some months ago. They hired a bunch of new people but they aren't fully up and running so if there is ANYTHING at all questionable on an application, they are pushing it aside for further review and that is taking time.

Seemingly, they are getting there are working through the backlog and this is supposed to be happening less frequently.

All of this was told to me 3rd hand by my FFL.

That is laughable nonsense of course.

The real reason for the delays and undetermined is that they get to keep or rather steal your DROS fee whether they do anything to earn the money or not.

They can sit there and do nothing with your DROS application and still male the $37 something fee for doing nothing.


We'll get to it when we can but if we can't we will still keep your money and stop looking into it after 30 days. But if you want us to pretend to look at it for another 30 days then pay us another $37 for doing nothing.

If any private business operated like that it would be considered a scam because that is exactly what it is. You paid for a service in this case the results of your background check. But if you didn't receive any results at all you should not have to pay for it. Any normal business if for some reason can't provide the service you paid for will gladly give your money back.

It's like if you walked into the DMV and pay forty dollars for a driver license. You expect to receive it in the mail a few days later but instead you get a letter telling you oh sorry we can't send you a driver license because we didn't get around to making it because we were busy with other things but we're keeping all your money anyway. Have a nice day.


If you are somehow legally allowed to keep your customer's money whether you do anything for them or not then there is zero incentive for you to do anything for them is there? That is called fraud and theft.

[jonc]

My FFL said 30 days start from day of "Delayed" notice
..
not the day of start dros..

so that wrong?

thanks in advance..

[LMan57]

I got this in the Mail yesterday.

[LMan57]

it shows the correct date I started the DROS.

[LMan57]

yes, I started it on the 21st. now Bass Pro has their own rules they will not release after the 28th day.

[ar15barrels]

That letter is dated june 28th and loses it's act of law 30 days from when you started the DROS which should be on July 21st.