This is how an undetermined works (in all cases except the poster above):
Day 1 - DROS Starts
Day X - Delay from DOJ preventing pickup after 240 hours / 10 days.
Day 31 - DROS changes to undetermined and then you have 30 days from this date to pick up assuming FFL release on undetermined
Day 61 - DROS is expired and you would have to ReDROS
DOJ essentially "washes their hand[s]" on Day 31.. With the exception of giving the FFL the federal NICS NTN number to release the firearm if the FFL chooses.
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I have never heard of an extension I thought after 30 days the DOJ washes their hand of it and that you would have to pay up and start the process again.Leave a comment:
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The button appears on day 31 or 32 at the latest. You have a right to sue as they are breaking the law. Your dealer can release if he calls in to get the new NTN number. He can also call the Dealer DOJ hotline to have them mark the actual release date.Supposedly there is a button from DOJ on the form to allow the FFL to release the weapon but the DOJ hasn't, won't make the button active and I'm told that on the 28th day they extended the hold. I have emailed the DOJ twice. First one they sent a cookie cutter response. No response from the 2nd email. And yes, June 18th was the purchase date. Still waiting, I checked this morning.
Your dealer can do something about this (assuming they release on undetermined).
I have not seen a single Delay ever get extended and have heard that happening until your case.
If it's a matter of that button appearing your FFL should be able to contact CA DOJ to get that corrected.
If this is truly an "extended" delay then you should get another letter which I would encourage you to retain counsel (perhaps someone willing to do pro-bono) to sue. Confirm with your FFL that they received another bulletin as well. If they have not then something smells funny.
If they have, ask them to at least send you a screenshot with the verbiage stating this is an "extended" delay and post it here (obviously redacting any personal info). I'd really like to se what this looks like.Leave a comment:
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Supposedly there is a button from DOJ on the form to allow the FFL to release the weapon but the DOJ hasn't, won't make the button active and I'm told that on the 28th day they extended the hold. I have emailed the DOJ twice. First one they sent a cookie cutter response. No response from the 2nd email. And yes, June 18th was the purchase date. Still waiting, I checked this morning.Leave a comment:
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What do you mean the extended the delay? By law they have between June 18 and July 18 to figure it out or it goes undetermined. They can't extend the delay to July 26th...
Unless your post was wrong and you're saying you purchased on July 18 and pickup was supposed to be July 28th with the delay happening on July 26 (and no "extension") of a delay.Leave a comment:
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Purchased on June 18, 2022. Pick up date should have been the 28th. 26th, DOJ delayed. July 26th they extended the delay. Still waiting!Leave a comment:
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Same as mine Day 6 or 7 I'm just waiting for my live scan to clear. I still say this is the states new form of gun control.Leave a comment:
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Well, was just bit by the dreaded delay bug. Purchased on 7/18 and notified 7/26. So now on day 6 of the delay. Received the same canned letter from the DOJ on 8/2. During the delay I was able to buy ammo, so no issue there.
One interesting thing is that I was in my LGS today and they showed me a huge stack of delays, clearly frustrated. Said they're seeing at least one every day and it was impacting their business...I don't doubt it, since I also learned for the first time that they don't release on an undetermined. So I'll be looking for a different FFL if possible.
This thread has been very helpful albeit a bit discouraging.Leave a comment:
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You know it's bad when
You know it's bad when ... you get more accurate information from the Internet than from the people actually working there...
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Yes that is the one the DOJ agent told me to use this time the right one.Here is the one you want to use:
https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/media/BOF_8016RR.pdfLeave a comment:
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Here is the one you want to use:
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I just got off the phone with the DOJ agent he told me I submitted the wrong form and I to need to submit the form 1911-CV pointed out AB165 firearms record review. The agent told me once the live scan has been submitted to wait until I receive a notice from them "snail mail" letting me know there findings then if nothing came up I should be good to go. I also told him I was told to submit the other live scan form he said sorry they have some newbies working there
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time frame to here back from the DOJ around 30days but they have been getting a lot of request lately.
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