CA DROS Delay

[Deelayed]

Actually "common sense" historically dictates that the state of Crap-O-Fornica don't give a crap about common sense.

San Francisco has metric tons of crap to give

[pacrat]

Common sense would dictate that a person sho has completed the background check would come up cleared when another purchase is made. Technology exsists that would flag that person if any prohibitive events had taken place since the cleared background check

Actually "common sense" historically dictates that the state of Crap-O-Fornica don't give a crap about common sense.

[Deelayed]

Common sense would dictate that a person sho has completed the background check would come up cleared when another purchase is made. Technology exsists that would flag that person if any prohibitive events had taken place since the cleared background check

[Deelayed]

We are on the same page. DROS entered on the 28th, went back 30 days later on the 27th after my set time. 15 minutes after the 30, 24 hour periods were up it was still showing pending. PC 28220 calls for "immediate" notification to dealer. It was moved the following morning, but still annoying to "play by the rules" and still leave my LGS empty-handed after waiting thirty days. If CA wants to be pedantic, "must wait until the EXACT SECOND to release DROS," I can play by the same rules too.







This is what I was worried about; fudd getting in the way and/or DOJ BOF possibly playing games to see how far they can push "release number" bologna and potentially making ffl's nervous about releasing on undetermined. My FFL stayed solid, but I could see the visible confusion on their faces when it hadn't changed to Undetermined after confirming we hit 30, 24 hr. periods, hence the second-guessing about the delay notice date and how it (didn't) play into account.



More bologna, (on FFL/DOJ's part, not you Deelayed )

PC 28220 is quite clear, again:

I hear you . It's bad enough that they craft up these over worded laws that do everything except give concise, logical , and /or sensible conclusions as derived from the actual necessity and wording of the law , but then to not abide by their own rules ? it should be a restitutional
required offense meaning that restitution would be required to pay the debt to the citizens they are basically playing childish games with . I know make them serve 2~3 consecutive days out in the desert picking up shot shells and broken glass requiring that an entire perimeter must be cleaned before release and then tell them darn your release is being delayed . And it looks like the person signing you out today does not release on undetermined. It needs work but the foundation is there

[Chromeslinger]

So the delay takes place from what I know anytime between the initial start of the dros and the tenth day . I had one hit delay on day 6 and another on day 10 I think .so you had to wait 40 days before the computer changed to undetermined? How long did it take before it was able to be released to you from the time of undetermined ?

[townbound]

I was delayed 3 times over the summer, the first 2 ended in undetermined releases. I'm happy to report that the last delay was approved 2 weeks later and I've had no issue on my last 3 transactions. So things can get better.

Knocks on wood.....

[CAGunFun]

The DROS day is Day 0 on the count so you start counting the day AFTER the DROS as day 1 and then up to 30.
So if you entered DROS on December 27th, the 28th is the 1st day and then Janauary 26th is the 30th day.

That's why we say 30 24 hour periods.
It ends up being 31 days after the DROS was entered if you count the day of DROS as day 1.
The problem with counting the DROS day as day 1 is that 24 hours have not lapsed when you got to day 1 which is why the DROS day is day 0.

We are on the same page. DROS entered on the 28th, went back 30 days later on the 27th after my set time. 15 minutes after the 30, 24 hour periods were up it was still showing pending. PC 28220 calls for "immediate" notification to dealer. It was moved the following morning, but still annoying to "play by the rules" and still leave my LGS empty-handed after waiting thirty days. If CA wants to be pedantic, "must wait until the EXACT SECOND to release DROS," I can play by the same rules too.

TRANSACTION DATE TIME: 12/28/2022
EARLIEST DELIVERY DATE/TIME: 1/28/2023
LATEST DELIVERY DATE/TIME: 2/27/2023

This is what I was worried about; fudd getting in the way and/or DOJ BOF possibly playing games to see how far they can push "release number" bologna and potentially making ffl's nervous about releasing on undetermined. My FFL stayed solid, but I could see the visible confusion on their faces when it hadn't changed to Undetermined after confirming we hit 30, 24 hr. periods, hence the second-guessing about the delay notice date and how it (didn't) play into account.

Longest I have waited past the 30 days with 6 days to a total of 36 Days even though it's released on undetermined the FFL still has to get a release number from the doj and their hands are tied until they receive that number had one experience where they were waiting for one to come through the snail mail I've had an experience to where they had to call the doj to get numbers not just for me but for more people too that were on that status you just have to wait

More bologna, (on FFL/DOJ's part, not you Deelayed )

PC 28220 is quite clear, again:

pursuant to this section, the department shall immediately notify the dealer and the dealer may then immediately transfer the firearm to the purchaser,

[LMan57]

Well well, I checked the Applicant Background Check Status portal and to my surprise, the Firearms background check was completed on 01/25/23 which was submitted on 07/29/22 their a speedy efficient group so let's see how long it takes before I get the results.

[Deelayed]

It is different.
The $1 ammo check is not actually running a background check.

The ammo check is simply comparing your name/address info to see if it finds a successful DROS of a firearm in the past with a perfect match of the information that you entered for the ammo check.

If the information you enter on the ammo check does not perfectly match what you previously entered on a successful firearm DROS, then you get rejected on the ammo check.

The feds told CA that CA can not use the NICS system for ammo background checks so CA's solution was to simply search the CA DROS history for a match of a successful firearm background check from the past and use that past successful background check to satisfy the ammunition law's background check requirements.

luce

So if that's how fast they can check to see if you are who you are and that you live at the same address and have successfully completed a dros ? But it's the whole common name thing that takes 30+ days to not figure out even with a SS number which apparently means nothing? I have a feeling that the doj is implementing atf tactics . Seeing how long and how far they can take it ultimately resulting in the automatic denial for everyone ..
i.e. "sorry you have been denied "
Why
"Don't know but here call this number "
8-9 months later hello this is the doj . There was a problem, please send us this and that and 50 bucks for processing.
6 months later
Hello doj i sent in my .......
Oh yeah . OK we fixed it go ahead and dros again .
30+ days later undetermined

[Deelayed]

So the delay takes place from what I know anytime between the initial start of the dros and the tenth day . I had one hit delay on day 6 and another on day 10 I think .so you had to wait 40 days before the computer changed to undetermined? How long did it take before it was able to be released to you from the time of undetermined ?

[ar15barrels]

During my dros delay , I still bought ammo��? I’m guessing that the ammo check system is totally different.

It is different.
The $1 ammo check is not actually running a background check.

The ammo check is simply comparing your name/address info to see if it finds a successful DROS of a firearm in the past with a perfect match of the information that you entered for the ammo check.

If the information you enter on the ammo check does not perfectly match what you previously entered on a successful firearm DROS, then you get rejected on the ammo check.

The feds told CA that CA can not use the NICS system for ammo background checks so CA's solution was to simply search the CA DROS history for a match of a successful firearm background check from the past and use that past successful background check to satisfy the ammunition law's background check requirements.

[Chromeslinger]

Which it was. We counted the days together, which is when the FFL began to assume it was from the date of delay notification which sounded incorrect.

[Deelayed]

The DROS day is Day 0 on the count so you start counting the day AFTER the DROS as day 1 and then up to 30.
So if you entered DROS on December 27th, the 28th is the 1st day and then Janauary 26th is the 30th day.

That's why we say 30 24 hour periods.
It ends up being 31 days after the DROS was entered if you count the day of DROS as day 1.
The problem with counting the DROS day as day 1 is that 24 hours have not lapsed when you got to day 1 which is why the DROS day is day 0.

The important factor to remember is that it does not start from the time it goes from pending to delayed I had a counter person try to tell me it started from the delay start I just agreed with him and called back the next day and talked to someone else about my question . There was no point in arguing with him .

[ar15barrels]

Following up; was moved to undetermined and the eagle has landed.

Looks like the DOJ moved it manually, as the earliest pick-up time showed as early this morning, which was technically 31 days after DROS.

tsk tsk Bonta boi....you done violated the law according to PC 28220.

The DROS day is Day 0 on the count so you start counting the day AFTER the DROS as day 1 and then up to 30.
So if you entered DROS on December 27th, the 28th is the 1st day and then Janauary 26th is the 30th day.

That's why we say 30 24 hour periods.
It ends up being 31 days after the DROS was entered if you count the day of DROS as day 1.
The problem with counting the DROS day as day 1 is that 24 hours have not lapsed when you got to day 1 which is why the DROS day is day 0.

[Deelayed]

Normal to show delayed after 30 days are up? 30 Days passed, went in minutes after my time and showed Delayed.

Will it switch to undetermined tomorrow? Confused. FFL thinks 30 days started when DOJ notified them of delay, but PC 28220 says:



Should I try again tomorrow? Or is it 30 days from delay notification?

No it is 30 days from the day you start your dros