Bad FFL dealings...

[SkyHawk]

How? Sometimes it's right and sometimes it's blank.

You had too much in your YOUTUBE tags.

You had:

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You only needed:

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[SkyHawk]

US postage is technically legal tender.
You can turn in un-used postage years later and get cash back for it.
A USPS shipping label showing postage paid is worth that amount in cash if it's not used.
There is no expiration date.

Yep. I have never had a problem using old labels.

Usually what happens is I am sending pre-addressed postage-paid flat rate labels or even labeled boxes to people to ship me stuff. I never really know when that shipment will happen, and you can only choose a date about 4 days out when you purchase the label. But it (the date) doesn't matter.

[ar15barrels]

Usually what happens is I am sending pre-addressed postage-paid flat rate labels to people to ship me stuff.

I do the same thing.
I just pick the last day the USPS gives and it always works out.

[one*eyed*jack]

Regarding the old postage, I don't work for the PO so I can't speak to their official policy. I just know that I sent a label to my brother to send me something and they wouldnt accept it. They said it was too old. Maybe, like many things, it depends on who you speak with.

[SkyHawk]

Regarding the old postage, I don't work for the PO so I can't speak to their official policy. I just know that I sent a label to my brother to send me something and they wouldnt accept it. They said it was too old. Maybe, like many things, it depends on who you speak with.

The key to better luck is - don't speak with anybody if you can avoid it, especially if that anybody is a USPS counter worker.

Place a free pickup request, leave it on the porch to be picked up by your mail carrier. You never have to change out of your PJs.

https://tools.usps.com/schedule-pickup-steps.htm

You will have more success if you are using your mail carrier during your regular pickup. Or drop it at a Mailboxes etc or shipping type store on their pickup counter. The people delivering and picking up packages all day could care less what the date is and they wont even look.

You will have the least success going into a post office and dealing with a counter worker. I have never and would never do that.

But it does seem to be a YMMV thing

https://www.shippingschool.com/do-usps-shipping-labels-expire/

https://support.pirateship.com/en/articles/4524938-when-does-a-shipping-label-expire

[Oldmandan]

My opinion… OP, you are a jerk

Why do you think, your problems should become everybody else’s problem?

I have purchased many guns off gunbroker, and when dealing with large capacity mags, have always asked the seller to sell me the gun without them, if they can’t block them. Toss them, resale them, gift them, whatever. A $20-$30 mag is not worth the potential hassle to me

Most FFL’s will not even deal with it, the fact that both of these FFL’s tried to help you speaks volumes to them. While your ATF threats speak volumes about you.

[SkyHawk]

My opinion… OP, you are a jerk

Why do you think, your problems should become everybody else’s problem?

I have purchased many guns off gunbroker, and when dealing with large capacity mags, have always asked the seller to sell me the gun without them, if they can’t block them. Toss them, resale them, gift them, whatever. A $20-$30 mag is not worth the potential hassle to me

Another good option is to have your receiving/transfer FFL block the mags.

What happened to the OP would be a nothing-burger at my favorite transfer FFL. The mags would be permanently blocked for a small fee and without any drama.

I say it frequently but it can't be said enough: A good FFL is worth 10x their weight in gold and having a good relationship with such an FFL is priceless. Treat them right!

[Mr. Beretta]

I say it frequently but it can't be said enough: A good FFL is worth 10x their weight in gold and having a good relationship with such an FFL is priceless. Treat them right!

THIS !!!!!!!!!!!

[ar15barrels]

Regarding the old postage, I don't work for the PO so I can't speak to their official policy.
I just know that I sent a label to my brother to send me something and they wouldnt accept it.
They said it was too old.
Maybe, like many things, it depends on who you speak with.

The answer to that was to have them give a full refund and generate a new label.

Maybe what problem was is that you generated the label before a postage rate change and then the label was no longer valid BECAUSE it was not enough postage AFTER the postage rate change.
Or your label was just not for the correct amount.
Or your label was not correct for the type of box your brother was using.

There could be many different reasons why the postage was not valid but it's not because it expired.
That would be just like a dollar bill expiring.
Ever heard of that?

The solution for whatever actually happened was to get a refund for the label and then buy a new label with the proper amount of postage.
They could also have sold your brother a label with the remaining amount of postage due.

[Jeepergeo]

Jeeze, get to the freaking point. I gave up reading when red flag details like the issues with your FIL creeped in.

Red flag in that the excessive, unimportant details usually indicate a troll.

[Dirk Tungsten]

Jeeze, get to the freaking point. I gave up reading when red flag details like the issues with your FIL creeped in.

Red flag in that the excessive, unimportant details usually indicate a troll.

I doubt it's a troll- check the rest of his posts, they're somewhat similar, and it seems it's more his personality type.

[MyOdessa]

[BajaJames83]

unfortunately OP all of these problems are self imposed and while he may charge more than you would like you put him in that situation and created this mess but did not help in trying to solve it other than giving him attitude.

[norcal77]

Very succinctly put and I agree.

[Deelayed]

Hey everyone,
I wanted to share an experience I am currently dealing with and the state of affairs that transpired that has led up to this. Now although I am not looking for legal advise but if you want to chime is, please do. I am rather actually looking for some friendly advise as to where to take this and to whom.

So here goes...

Back in mid or late September, I purchased a firearm off of Gunbroker from a seller that is out of state. The firearm is California compliant but the seller is selling with restricted mags. Now the seller and I had agreed to have the mags shipped to our family home out of California and the seller had no issues with that just as long as they were not coming here. Now this kind of took awhile to get everything worked out as I had vehicle repairs and urgent family and work issues all going on at the same time, so was going through a bit of a rough time during the month of October and the seller was very sympathetic and was okay with the purchase being a little late.

Now during that time, I was also in the middle of DROSing another firearm and when I finally picked it up near the end of October, I had contacted the seller to inquire about the mags being shipped separately. The seller did not and the firearm was shipped with the restricted mags and it was an honest mistake on the sellers part and the seller even texted me saying "I totally forgot about that". So, I let my local FFL here know what was going on and informed him that a package was going to arrive sometime later in the week or the following Monday or Tuesday.

I got a call from my local FFL on that Monday and yes, the mags were indeed with the firearms. I wasn't able to get to my local FFL until almost a week later because of work and had to take my wife to see her aging father out of town. When I got back in town, I notified my FFL here and went to see him. We talked about what to do with the mags and I told him that there were my property and that I wanted to have them forwarded to our family home out of state and that I even offered to pay the shipping.

My FFL said "No, they need to go back to the original FFL". I stated that once they were out of his hands, he need not worry about them as they were going to another state. He still wouldn't do it. So by this time, I figured might as well be adult about it and have them returned to the original FFL. I understood the liability aspect from his point of view and figured there was no harm in sending them back to the original FFL and to get a return shipping label.

I reached out to the original FFL and let him know that I was going to be sending back the mags and he agreed once he received them, he would send them to our family home in Idaho. Fast forward...this past Sunday, the seller texted me asking if I had sent the mags back yet and told them not yet as yet again, had a urgent family issue with my wife's father who's 93 yrs old. I told the seller I was going to be taking care of it tomorrow (Monday).

Now I would like to point out at this time, I did not know anything about being able to print a shipping label online. Sorry if I am not a techie person but I honestly did not know. So, I went to the post office to get a small flat rate shipper box for the mags and went to the counter to pay for it. I told the clerk that I needed to ship some items back out of state and how much it would be to get a shipping label from this address to this address. She told me she wouldn't be able to do it without the actual items being in the box to get a proper weight.

So I thanked her and went to the FFL and let him know I brought a small shipper box we could put the mags into. He asked me where was the label. I explained to him that the post office told me they needed the items in the box to get an accurate postage. The FFL says that he couldn't just let me take them to the post office. I then said to him that why couldn't he just box them up and create a shipping label. He said he would charge me a lot of money. I said I would need to drive all the way back to the post office to see about the label and come all the way back. He says, you do that.

I asked how much he was going to charge me and he said I would charge you sixty bucks. I said seriously and he says that's for my time. I asked if he treated all his customers like that and he didn't answer. I told him that I am providing a shipper box to get this issue resolved and get it done the right way and you wanna charge me an upcharge of sixty dollars on top of the ten dollar shipper box I am already providing. He said yup.

I told him that this was ****ed up and that what he was doing was wrong and that it was bull****. So I left to go cool off as I was not having that at that moment in time. I then go back into the store to tell him I am sorry but this isn't working out and that I will not bring my business to someone pulling this crap and that I would like the gun and mags shipped back to the original FFL. He said to make sure to bring a label so we can put it on the box. I told him that I really didn't need his business but that he needed my business and folks like me to stay in business. I can find another FFL anytime. I said all this politely and professionally and as much as I was pissed, I just wanted my firearm and mags out of his store. May not have been the nicest thing to say but it needed to be said.

I leave and notified the original FFL and told him what was going on and that I was going to have the entire package sent back and that I was not going to be dealing with this FFL anymore. He said let me talk to them and I'll get back to you. I drove off headed for home. It wasn't even five minutes later the original FFL calls me back and say...holy **** that guy is an ******* and cant believe that he is even in business. I told him yeah and the way the FFL here treated me, I was even shocked that that had happened.

So I asked the original FFL about a return label and he stated that he really doesnt do those as he is a home-based FFL. So I said, sure no problem and when I got home, I could look into trying to figure out how to do a shipping label as I had never done one before. As we were talking, the original FFL said, hey man, why dont you just bite the bullet and pay his fifty or sixty bucks, get it over with because having the entire package brought back would incur additional shipping to another FFL here where I am. I told him, maybe but I really dont even want to go into that FFL's shop anymore. So I thought about it a couple more minutes and told the original FFL I would call my local FFL back and see if we can still do this.

So I call my local FFL back to see if he will ship the items and I would pay for his price. He said..."No, you do it yourself, you walk outta my place crying like a ****ing bitch, **** you, figure it out yourself" and hung up. I called the original FFL back and told him what just occurred and he said...you may wanna get those out of his store as soon as possible.

So I am at home and I spend the next couple of hours trying to figure out how to do a shipping label. I finally figure it out and was able to pay and print one out. I notify the FFL here and let him know I have the shipping label and if I can email it to him. He says yes do you have our email and I said yes. I sent it a couple minutes later in pdf and I had the absolute biggest goddamm headache after all that and took two Advils and took a nap. This was just after 3pm on Monday.

I woke up around 6:30pm or so and went about my business at home. It wasnt until later that night that I saw the FFL's email response...cant open it, print it out and bring it to us. Now this FFL doesn't open for business until after 10:30am...I am at work by then and I work 12-14 hour shifts and I am not allowed to bring my phone into the facility to make calls or whatever.

I emailed them back the next morning on Tuesday just before going to work and resent the shipping label attachment again. There response later...sorry, still cant open it, cant do anything unless it can be opened. I couldn't respond as I was at work and just didn't have the time. So, I resent the email again this morning Wednesday and I also sent it to a couple close circle of friends and to let me know if this document is able to be opened including a family member. I got all responses back saying they could open it and print it. But the FFL??...said again they couldn't open it.

Here's where the advise is coming in. Am I in the right to file a complaint with the ATF or any law enforcement agency to report that a local FFL is now withholding personal property because he wants to play mind **** games. My conclusion to that is this....I have emailed the FFL not once, not twice, but three times....and you mean to tell me that I can send a shipping label email to everyone in town but except this local FFL because he thinks its funny to just ignore the fact that he is now to my belief, violating my 2nd Amendment rights to my paid for property that to me, he is refusing to ship and also violating my 4th Amendment right to now illegal seizure and withholding of again, paid property he is refusing to deal with and ship back to a waiting FFL.

I am guessing the ATF would love to have a chit chat with him but I don't know. I honestly dont know what a law enforcement agency can or will do. I know this is also in regards to restricted mags but I am trying to do the right thing and just ship everything back to the original FFL but this local FFL is just playing frigging games.

So, any ideas on what to do....I'm going to bed, I'm tired, sorry for this being long. I may have left out maybe very little details but nothing that I can think of that would of mattered. So, good night, again my apologies this was so long...

Man . I thought I was bad. Thank you .