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  • #31
    SharedShots
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2021
    • 2277

    Originally posted by ja308
    These are all really good points and I do not have much info on CCW holders saving lives. Even when a hero does interact and gets murdered in the process, this shix media doesn't report the correct story.

    Joseph Wilcox was one such hero, who likely saved many lives in Las Vegas.
    A husband and wife had just murdered 2 cops and were in a Walmart . The husband was in the back and wife was going to be sleeper to take out cops when they were focused on her husband.

    Joe Wilcox engaged the husband and the wife murdered him and in doing so she exposed her position.

    The national media largely ignored the actions of an unsung man who delayed the attackers long enough to allow the police to arrive to neutralize the threat. By Bob Adelmann
    Probably doesn't count because no one knows.

    Wilcox would have done better for himself and others had he warned others about to enter and then helped those able to -to leave and then being armed acted as a barrier between the BGs and the innocents instead of rushing into oblivion, not thinking past doing and getting killed.

    What about his family who are now without him because instead of caution and measured response ran into his death?

    Just because someone gets killed that doesn't make them a hero, sometimes it makes them stupid. This has gone round and round in LE agency training where is used to be almost impossible to point out bad decision making that led to tragedy because no one dared say anything ill of the dead. For that reason a lot of lessons were learned the hard way over and over until finally it was time to say it the way it was.

    Wilcox didn't process his thinking correctly and was blinded by doing something instead of the best thing.

    A CCW doesn't endow anyone with critical thinking skills nor the ability to see a situation past taking the first step. While his intent was noble his actions left a lot of casualties and those include his entire family, his friends who are now without him - and for what?

    He made a very bad choice and it cost him but also everyone who knew him.

    CCW doesn't equal being the police or some higher responsibility for the general public. This wasn't about pushing a child out of the way of getting hit by a car or some intentional sacrifice, it was bad decision making that just cost.
    Let Go of the Status Quo!

    Don't worry, it will never pass...How in the hell did that pass?

    Think past your gun, it's the last resort, the first is your brain.

    Defense is a losing proposition when time is on the side of the opponent. In the history of humanity, no defense has ever won against an enemy with time on their side.

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    • #32
      Thoughts
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2014
      • 523

      Originally posted by Jimi Jah
      And you can be charged with a wrongful death lawsuit.
      You can be charged with wrongful death for shooting someone to protect yourself. Even in CA, it is legal to shoot to protect a third party. You had better be sure that the third party is the victim, though.

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      • #33
        ja308
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Nov 2009
        • 12660

        Originally posted by SharedShots
        Probably doesn't count because no one knows.

        Wilcox would have done better for himself and others had he warned others about to enter and then helped those able to -to leave and then being armed acted as a barrier between the BGs and the innocents instead of rushing into oblivion, not thinking past doing and getting killed.

        What about his family who are now without him because instead of caution and measured response ran into his death?

        Just because someone gets killed that doesn't make them a hero, sometimes it makes them stupid. This has gone round and round in LE agency training where is used to be almost impossible to point out bad decision making that led to tragedy because no one dared say anything ill of the dead. For that reason a lot of lessons were learned the hard way over and over until finally it was time to say it the way it was.

        Wilcox didn't process his thinking correctly and was blinded by doing something instead of the best thing.

        A CCW doesn't endow anyone with critical thinking skills nor the ability to see a situation past taking the first step. While his intent was noble his actions left a lot of casualties and those include his entire family, his friends who are now without him - and for what?

        He made a very bad choice and it cost him but also everyone who knew him.

        CCW doesn't equal being the police or some higher responsibility for the general public. This wasn't about pushing a child out of the way of getting hit by a car or some intentional sacrifice, it was bad decision making that just cost.
        The story got coverage in Las Vegas and you are correct the crummy antigun US media , rarely credits armed civilians .
        The Monday morning quarterback post you offered missed the fact that the armed sleeper wife was prepared to take out anyone posing a deterrent.

        Fact is Las Vegas police called him a hero and died a hero's death.
        Read the article posted and search a few more.

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        • #34
          Fate
          Calguns Addict
          • Apr 2006
          • 9545

          Originally posted by Jimi Jah
          And you can be charged with a wrongful death lawsuit.
          sigpic "On bended knee is no way to be free." - Eddie Vedder, "Guaranteed"

          "Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." -Thomas Jefferson
          , in a letter to his nephew Peter Carr dated August 19, 1785

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          • #35
            ja308
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Nov 2009
            • 12660

            Originally posted by Fate
            In Idaho, if it’s a legal defensive shooting, you are immune from the above.
            Good policy for sure and is this story still being covered in Idaho ?


            It hasn't received the attention I expected from our friendly anti gun media .
            Could it be the killer did not fit the narrative and died wearing a Biden T shirt ?

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            • #36
              Fate
              Calguns Addict
              • Apr 2006
              • 9545

              Originally posted by ja308
              Good policy for sure and is this story still being covered in Idaho ?


              It hasn't received the attention I expected from our friendly anti gun media .
              Could it be the killer did not fit the narrative and died wearing a Biden T shirt ?

              It was out of the news cycle by day 2.
              sigpic "On bended knee is no way to be free." - Eddie Vedder, "Guaranteed"

              "Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." -Thomas Jefferson
              , in a letter to his nephew Peter Carr dated August 19, 1785

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              • #37
                ja308
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Nov 2009
                • 12660

                Originally posted by Fate
                It was out of the news cycle by day 2.
                Maybe because too many people are speculating or contemplating being armed?

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                • #38
                  -hanko
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 14174

                  Originally posted by ja308
                  Maybe because too many people are speculating or contemplating being armed?
                  You definitely are not even close.

                  This is Idaho.
                  True wealth is time. Time to enjoy life.

                  Life's journey is not to arrive safely in a well preserved body, but rather to slide in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "holy schit...what a ride"!!

                  Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. Mark Twain

                  A man's soul can be judged by the way he treats his dog. Charles Doran

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                  • #39
                    ja308
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 12660

                    Originally posted by -hanko
                    You definitely are not even close.

                    This is Idaho.
                    My point is if a narrative leads toward more people being armed , or thinking being armed is a good idea, the media will deep six the story.

                    There could be other reasons this story is not exploited. I only offered one.

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                    • #40
                      -hanko
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 14174

                      If someone in Idaho is speculating, no problem. Idaho has constitutional carry which affects both those who live here as well as those who visit. CWL not needed, though the enhanced CWL gets one reciprocity in 40+ states as well as other advantages.
                      True wealth is time. Time to enjoy life.

                      Life's journey is not to arrive safely in a well preserved body, but rather to slide in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "holy schit...what a ride"!!

                      Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. Mark Twain

                      A man's soul can be judged by the way he treats his dog. Charles Doran

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                      • #41
                        ja308
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 12660

                        Originally posted by -hanko
                        If someone in Idaho is speculating, no problem. Idaho has constitutional carry which affects both those who live here as well as those who visit. CWL not needed, though the enhanced CWL gets one reciprocity in 40+ states as well as other advantages.
                        I felt very comfortable using CC the we visited Idaho.
                        I even enjoyed changing the grips to match my dress shirts. Very civilized place.

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