Boise mall shooting

[-hanko]

No legal authority, other than a trespass charge if an actor refuses to put the weapon back in his car.

[Dan_Eastvale]

And you can be charged with a wrongful death lawsuit.

And it will be justifiable homicide with a conservative judge presiding over the "wrongful" justified death.

[ja308]

As usual, you have no idea of what you're writing about. The Boise mall requests no handguns.

How did the no handguns rule , including the un armed security guard policy work out for them ?

Once again I was correct. A trained law abiding, armed citizen could have prevented deaths and injuries. Even if a sign telling him or her not to bring a gun, was displayed.

[Mr. Beretta]

And you can be charged with a wrongful death lawsuit.

Nobody can be "charged" with a wrongful death suit.

A person who commits criminal acts can be "charged" by the appropriate authority, DDA, AUSA, etc.

You can be sued for a "wrongful death".

[ja308]

Interesting how people who care so little for their own safety. Think they can pay a stranger to protect then from people that can murder.

Not a slam on police , just an observation, based on real threats where cops screwed around with perimeters ,command posts and other stalling tactics.

[Glockfanboy1]

[ohsmily]

In Utah you can legally shoot to protect someone else

Uh, in what state can't you shoot to protect someone else who is facing imminent serious bodily injury or death?

[ohsmily]

And it will be justifiable homicide with a conservative judge presiding over the "wrongful" justified death.

Generally, judges don't decide cases. Where did you get that idea?

[ja308]

What if you were in a gun free zone and in a City/ state that takes illegal gun possession very seriously ?

Remember these Soros prosecutors are the very types who facilitated mass murder in several countries by leftist governments.
They have no regard human life. Although its a reach, this guy mowing down kids might even be part of a government mind control program to disarm the citizens .Are you prepared lose everything for strangers ,even kids ?

[ohsmily]

What if you were in a gun free zone and in a City/ state that takes illegal gun possession very seriously ?

Remember these Soros prosecutors are the very types who facilitated mass murder in several countries by leftist governments.
They have no regard human life. Although its a reach, this guy mowing down kids might even be part of a government mind control program to disarm the citizens .Are you prepared lose everything for strangers ,even kids ?

Illegal possession of the gun is the least of the concerns. The bigger concern is what happens when you miss and kill one of the kids or another bystander, or interfere with the cops responding because they have a report of multiple shooters now, or you are hit by the bad guy and divert medical attention from others, or shoot who you think is the perp but he was actually shooting over the children at the bad guy who was shooting kids and you killed another CCWer, and any other number of issues. Judge it on a case by vase basis but, in general, call 9-1-1 and get out of there.

[SharedShots]

Ok, let go with that.

You are in a mall, you hear gunfire. Who are you going to shoot:

1. The other CCW who thinks just like you do?
2. The off-duty cop who is responding?
3. the guy you think is the bad guy but he is the one you see and not the 2nd or 3rd one who has taken hostages and yelled out they will shoot them if anyone interferes but you didn't hear that part?
4. The gangbanger who is busy taking out this enemies?
5. With all the people running around, some innocent because as good as you think your are you really aren't that good you can hit the bag guy who is also running?
6. The Bag Guy who decided to stand in one place, facing you with his gun not at the ready and waiting to get shot?

As you can see, the chances of you actually helping are quite small and more likely its you that will introduce more problems than already exist.

Then, the responding police know you are a CCW because:

1. Who else would be carrying a gun and have it at the ready but a good Samaritan?
2. You are holding your CCW permit or some mail order CCW Badge high in the air and a gun in the other?
3. You've soiled your pants to the point everyone can see it?
4. You yell out "I have a CCW!!!!!!!!!!!!" ?
5. They can tell because after they shot you and discovered who you are they realize the Bad Guy got away?

[Dan_Eastvale]

Illegal possession of the gun is the least of the concerns. The bigger concern is what happens when you miss and kill one of the kids or another bystander, or interfere with the cops responding because they have a report of multiple shooters now, or you are hit by the bad guy and divert medical attention from others, or shoot who you think is the perp but he was actually shooting over the children at the bad guy who was shooting kids and you killed another CCWer, and any other number of issues. Judge it on a case by vase basis but, in general, call 9-1-1 and get out of there.

We can CCW in public schools. This is a deterrent.
If you carried as a teacher or administrator you would cower and let the perp have his way with the school?
Do you CCW? Would you ever use it?
Or do you think it's a useless waste of money.

[ja308]

These are all really good points and I do not have much info on CCW holders saving lives. Even when a hero does interact and gets murdered in the process, this shix media doesn't report the correct story.

Joseph Wilcox was one such hero, who likely saved many lives in Las Vegas.
A husband and wife had just murdered 2 cops and were in a Walmart . The husband was in the back and wife was going to be sleeper to take out cops when they were focused on her husband.

Joe Wilcox engaged the husband and the wife murdered him and in doing so she exposed her position.

https://thenewamerican.com/a-hero-emerges-from-the-horror-of-the-las-vegas-shootings/

"Deep into its report, USA Today finally noted Wilcox’s actions, summarizing Deputy Sheriff Kevin McMahill who told a press conference that “Joseph Wilcox, 31, was in the store and was carrying a concealed weapon. Wilcox walked past Amanda Miller and confronted her husband. Amanda Miller then fatally shot Wilcox...

Nothing was said about the fact that Wilcox’s actions probably thwarted what was planned to be a broad attack on civilians, not only at the Walmart store but at the county courthouse nearby. Nothing was said about how the heavily armed murderers were carrying a shotgun and four handguns and more than 200 rounds of ammunition to complete their mission. Nothing was said about Wilcox recognizing the threat and, rather than retreating from it, moving toward it in an attempt to neutralize it. Nothing was said about Wilcox exhibiting the traits of a sheepdog protecting the flock..."
RIP Mr Wilcox !
Calgunners are encouraged to click on this link to read more of how universal background and Senator Reid were the focus and this dead hero was an after thought!

[Dan_Eastvale]

https://utah.concealedcarry.com/concealed-carry/kidnaping-at-elementary-school-stopped-by-armed-teacher

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/19/teachers-utah-guns-school-shootings

https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-carrying-concealed-pistol-stops-attack-on-utah-police-officer

[ja308]

https://utah.concealedcarry.com/conc...-armed-teacher

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/19/teachers-utah-guns-school-shootings

https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-carry...police-officer

Thanx for the links , Utah is definitely a good state !
The Guardian article is pretty funny I enjoyed the laugh, especially the part about how a teacher can or deescalate or talk down a stone cold killer.
I sure wish the Guardian writer were at Columbine or Parkland to test out their advice.