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  • BillCA
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2005
    • 3821

    Tactics: Passive Non-Compliance

    This is based on a situation in which a friend of mine in another state experienced. I'd like to get your take on what you'd do.

    You are at home and it is "trash night". You decide to take out the trash, then put the trash can out by the curb. You're still wearing your CCW pistol, covered with a shirt or light jacket. Additionally, you live in the suburbs, so this is not a rural area.

    When you leave the house to dump the trash, you hear strange noises from the driveway. When you look, you see the passenger door is open and one leg sticking out below the door of your still kind-of new 2008 car. Next to the leg is your car's CD player and a piece of dashboard trim. You can hear the whirring of a ratchet tool from inside the car.

    You slip to a window and tell a family member what's happening and to call 911. When you return, you decide to confront Carl Carthief to prevent further damage to your car.

    You tell him not to move and to raise his hands slowly. He looks over his shoulder, sees you have your weapon (if you'd use it at this point) and says "No." Then resumes his disassembly of your car. Again you repeat the commands and he raises one hand slowly, then drops your car's stereo on the ground. He tells you to go commit some anatomically impossible act and returns to wrenching on your car. Whatever order you give him, he simply replies "No" or tells you to go away and stuff yourself.

    Your wife, thinking she's being "helpful" yells from the window that she's called the police and that "they said it'll be about 30 minutes!" [thanks a lot, dear]. You hear Carl Carthief chuckling inside the car and then your car's steering wheel airbag unit lands next to the radio and CD player.

    Now what?
  • #2
    BigDogatPlay
    Calguns Addict
    • Jun 2007
    • 7362

    Close the car door on him.... if his legs are in the way, I bet he pulls them in. Then summon assistance from family or neighbors. Let him be contained within the car... who cares if he damages it further, it's already an insurance claim.
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    • #3
      goathead
      Veteran Member
      • Mar 2008
      • 3601

      it looked like he had a gun so i shot

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      • #4
        domokun
        Veteran Member
        • Apr 2008
        • 3525

        Originally posted by BigDogatPlay
        Close the car door on him.... if his legs are in the way, I bet he pulls them in. Then summon assistance from family or neighbors. Let him be contained within the car... who cares if he damages it further, it's already an insurance claim.
        +1 on this. Just contain him inside the car until the cops arrive.
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        • #5
          BillCA
          Veteran Member
          • Mar 2005
          • 3821

          Originally posted by goathead
          it looked like he had a gun so i shot
          Niiice... Minimum ADW if not a murder charge over the theft of property when no immediate danger to you. Meet Bubba, your new cell-mate.

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          • #6
            bigmike82
            Bit Pusher
            CGN Contributor
            • Jan 2008
            • 3876

            "Officer, I will give no statement without the presence of my attorney."

            *later*

            "The perpetrator rushed my client with a weapon capable of causing great bodily injury, so my client shot the perpetrator with his legal and registered handgun in self defense, killing him."
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            • #7
              UBFRAGD
              Banned
              • Aug 2007
              • 2701

              Provoke an escalation of force.

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              • #8
                M198
                Senior Member
                • May 2009
                • 605

                Attempt to detain the suspect which will lead to an escalation of force. Anyone ever been pistol whipped? I bet it hurts like a lot.

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                • #9
                  DRM6000
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 5439

                  Originally posted by BigDogatPlay
                  Close the car door on him.... if his legs are in the way, I bet he pulls them in. Then summon assistance from family or neighbors. Let him be contained within the car... who cares if he damages it further, it's already an insurance claim.
                  what about the other door(s) he can use for egress?

                  best thing to do is trap his leg in the door and lean on it until the cops arrive.

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                  • #10
                    nick
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 19143

                    Originally posted by M198
                    Attempt to detain the suspect which will lead to an escalation of force. Anyone ever been pistol whipped? I bet it hurts like a lot.
                    This might be it. It depends on the state, anyway. We're talking CA, right?
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                    • #11
                      elSquid
                      In Memoriam
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 11844

                      Originally posted by BillCA
                      Now what?
                      Tell the wife to get the video camera. Have her stand behind me and record the crime. Get enough video for a positive ID, back off, then wait for the police.

                      If he walks away, he walks away. The police can deal with it at this point.

                      I'm not going to shoot someone over damaging my car. I don't want to shoot anyone unless I absolutely have to. Besides, the amount of damage he can do to my car in monetary terms is nothing compared to the cost of having to deal with the after effects of a shooting.

                      -- Michael

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                      • #12
                        capo689
                        Member
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 123

                        Since you're calling the insurance company at that point anyway... I would simply toss in a lit road flare and hold the door closed until he was ready to surrender. (That's one cowboy that won't be making an 8 second ride)

                        OR... just go back to bed and in the morning quit voting for such FUBAR gun laws that we can't even defend our homes without fear of prosecution.

                        OR.. we just admit defeat, realize the criminals have won and steal the next guys stereo and put it in your car. which is about all we will have left if we don't start allowing people to own and carry guns. (I have yet to hear about a single life saved by a gun that was locked up at home).

                        Now I'm just getting grumpy... go with answer number one it is the most fun.
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                        • #13
                          anniepoks
                          Veteran Member
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 3267

                          thats part of citizens arrest, especially being inside your property!
                          make him comply to your command. if he tries to or harm you, self defense.
                          Originally posted by Kestryll
                          Boy, you just aren't too bright are you?

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                          • #14
                            Bruce3
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2008
                            • 1249

                            Carl Cartheif has a screw driver in his hand right?

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                            • #15
                              sv_1
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 525

                              I'd give my wife the pistol, put him on the ground and tie him up in knots... after the car door closed on his legs. Unless he was bigger than me, then I'd kick him in the nuts.

                              Sorry officer, shoulda been here quicker. I tried to place him under citizens arrest and he attacked me...

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