Warm weather...open or concealed carry?

[IVC]

So uh is open carry legal in CA as long as it is unloaded and 1k feet away from schools?

The question is a bit backwards.

There was nothing in the law that made "open carry legal," it was the lack of prohibition on two aspects of UOC (unloaded open carry) that allowed one to UOC without running afoul of either having (1) a loaded gun in public, or (2) carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. It was a loophole of sorts (as much as I hate that phrase).

[IVC]

No. After complaints about the open carry "demonstrations" like those mentioned in the video by open carry activists who thought they would educate all the gun phobics in California that they shouldn't be so afraid of openly carried unloaded firearms, the California Legislature outlawed the practice in 2011, effective 1/1/2012.

There was a lot of debate about whether it was smart and in good taste to UOC and both sides had some valid arguments.

The biggest problem with UOC is that it wasn't a matter of right, such as having a state constitution or some other solid legal background to UOC, it was simply an omission when weapons in public were banned initially. It was an "easy come, easy go" legislative fix, and just like that UOC and the right to carry was gone.

It wasn't until yesterday that the SCOTUS has taken up an actual "carry" case (Corlett, from NY), where we expect sometimes in about a year to get a universal right to carry, including CA and NY/NYC. At that time, if CA decides to push open carry over concealed, the activism of open carrying will be back with vengeance and it will be a completely different ballgame with loaded open carry and no "e-checks" (what was allowing police to detain UOC-ers and put them against the wall).

[OCEquestrian]

Open carry is tactically stupid... I simply swap to my summer gun.. Ruger LCP

^^^^ The simple truth.

[SharedShots]

Tactical advantage aside since so many people use the word tactics and have never ever been in a position to have actually used a firearm other than during practice, plinking, or dress up, how many people that OC have had their guns taken away or been shot because some BM saw them carrying and decided to target them first? Everyone has opinions, what are the facts?

I'm not addressing anything but that in my question because in some cities there are people who will call 9-11 because you use a plastic straw or plastic bag and trying to appease them is an effort in futility. Those who argue about OC vs CC and vice versa are missing the entire point, it' about the right to carry and not about the right to carry concealed or openly. It's up to the individual to decide but give away one option and you have already accepted retreat.

[SharedShots]

9-11 what is the emergency?
There is someone in the store wearing a gun!!!!!!!!!
That is lawful, are they doing anything else?
They aren't wearing a mask!!!!!!!
Stay in a safe place, units are on the way! Whatever you do, keep your mask on or the police might think you are the bad guy.

Just something else to consider. When the talk about having the cops called on you because you might open carry something came to mind (I don't advocate OC or CC, I think the right includes both, you decide):

Two years ago if you were in a convenience store and someone walked in wearing a mask did you think it was just another person with the flu or did you start watching them a bit more closely because it was so rare to see someone in a store like that?

This past year and even now, in many parts do you even notice someone wearing a mask inside a store? Yet just a while ago that mask was a trigger for heightened awareness and scrutiny right? Enough was said about Covid that half the country believed that not wearing a mask was tantamount to killing people or something like that. Has anyone had the cops called on them because they wear a mask? Not that I've heard but have people had the cops called on them for not wearing one? Yes they have. Today, in many places, not wearing a mask in a store leads to people watching you rather closely, perhaps a store employee confronting you about it.

Something to think about when you toss around the ideas that having someone call the cops on you because you legally open carry. Like I said, each person should be able to choose what works best for them. Otherwise, this year wearing a mask is ok but two years ago it was suspicious.

The conditioning of people to think in certain ways is very interesting.

[Milsurp Collector]

Just something else to consider. When the talk about having the cops called on you because you might open carry something came to mind (I don't advocate OC or CC, I think the right includes both, you decide):

Two years ago if you were in a convenience store and someone walked in wearing a mask did you think it was just another person with the flu or did you start watching them a bit more closely because it was so rare to see someone in a store like that?

This past year and even now, in many parts do you even notice someone wearing a mask inside a store? Yet just a while ago that mask was a trigger for heightened awareness and scrutiny right? Enough was said about Covid that half the country believed that not wearing a mask was tantamount to killing people or something like that. Has anyone had the cops called on them because they wear a mask? Not that I've heard but have people had the cops called on them for not wearing one? Yes they have. Today, in many places, not wearing a mask in a store leads to people watching you rather closely, perhaps a store employee confronting you about it.

Something to think about when you toss around the ideas that having someone call the cops on you because you legally open carry. Like I said, each person should be able to choose what works best for them. Otherwise, this year wearing a mask is ok but two years ago it was suspicious.

Not really a good analogy. Mask wearing was/is mandated by the government and was/is widely practiced by everyone, young and old. That caused rapid social acceptance of mask wearing.

No government is going to mandate (require) open firearms carry by everyone. Even where it is legal, it will never be as widely practiced and commonplace as mask wearing is currently in many states. It will always be unusual enough that ex-California transplants and native-born ninnies will be alarmed enough to possibly call 911.

Californians call the cops when someone isn't wearing a mask, or is openly carrying a firearm. Neither case is socially acceptable to them.

Apples and oranges.

[IVC]

Open carry is a 1A right.

That's an interesting point, not sure I completely agree, but definitely has some merit. However, anything *unloaded* should be a thing of the past once we get "bear=carry" ruling from the Supreme Court.

[ACfixer]

how many people that OC have had their guns taken away or been shot because some BM saw them carrying and decided to target them first? Everyone has opinions, what are the facts?

I tried to find the answer to this a couple years ago, I found one "maybe" and nothing else. I think in one of the shootings someone heard one of the baddies say to their partner to "shoot that guy he has a gun" or something like that.

I'll try to find it again, or maybe someone else remembers more details.

[SharedShots]

Not really a good analogy. Mask wearing was/is mandated by the government and was/is widely practiced by everyone, young and old. That caused rapid social acceptance of mask wearing.

No government is going to mandate (require) open firearms carry by everyone. Even where it is legal, it will never be as widely practiced and commonplace as mask wearing is currently in many states. It will always be unusual enough that ex-California transplants and native-born ninnies will be alarmed enough to possibly call 911.

Californians call the cops when someone isn't wearing a mask, or is openly carrying a firearm. Neither case is socially acceptable to them.

Apples and oranges.

There was no real social acceptance of mask wearing, there was tolerance and compliance based on fear. Two very different things.

The point was that people who call 9-11 on anyone carrying a firearm openly will call 9-11 for just about anything. It isn't the gun, its the people who call 9-11 for everything from a hangnail to their nethers hair coloring not turning out right. When something is commonplace people tend to see it and not pay too much attention to it. Places where people routinely OC is proof of that.

The government never mandated hookers walk the streets, in some places it became so common no one pays much attention to it.

Its not about what the government mandates or not, its about what people see often or don't.