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Would this also work and do similar?
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To make a firearm make less noise:
- Have a longer barrel
- Use a cartridge with less maximum pressure
- Use a loading for your cartridge with slower burning powder to cause the sound to be stretched out over a longer time with a lower peak sound level
- Use a subsonic loading for your cartridge
- Use an action type that requires manual unlocking of the bolt, such as bolt or lever action
The biggest contributors are the subsonic load to get rid of the sonic boom “Crack!” noise and the action type noise “clunk!”. The action noise alone on a suppressed 10/22 is enough on its own to require hearing protection.
I would avoid “devices” due to issue with California’s definition of suppressors and instead get a firearm that makes less noise on its own.Last edited by unusedusername; 04-24-2021, 2:46 PM.Comment
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I have model 52 with a 26or 27 inch barrel and its quite compared to the 10/22 or 9422.Comment
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Yeh, I have the CZ 455 Ultra Lux with 28" barrel that is pleasant.
But it's bolt action.
Loses some "fun" aspects.
But.... it may be my only route.
Like life, we don't always get what we want.Last edited by Pyrite; 04-24-2021, 3:22 PM.Comment
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Oh Contraire;
I can't count the number of squirrels, rabbits, and ground hogs up to 20 pounds, that I've croaked with 22 shorts. And I still use them for squirrels and rabbits.
They are just as lethal, and the noise difference [short v LR] isn't as disturbing to other game in the area. Chuck agrees.
OLD YES.................BUT FAR FROM A RELIC!The .22 Short, introduced in 1857 for the first S&W revolver, was the first American metallic cartridge. It was a development of the BB cap using a 29 grain round nose (RN) bullet. It is still used all over the world and in the Olympic games for the rapid fire pistol event.
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You don't need Quiets, the "standard" or "target" ammo might be subsonic too. You would have to research if rifle barrel lengths make a sub/super sonic difference.
Don't be too sure it's just the barrel length. A 10/22 is an autoloader and you're getting some pop out of the ejection port too. A bolt gun is going to be quieter. If you want to keep the 10/22 badly enough you can get a straight-pull "bolt" action conversion.
Man, I thought my hearing was sensitive, but I never had any problem with a 10/22.Comment
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That's hard to believe. How loud? I've seen silencer tests well under 130 db.Comment
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Out of stock 10/22 28 inch barrel will be around eventually.
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OP have you tried wearing some hearing protection? I have electronic ear muffs that totally dull the shot bangs but I can hear a case drop on the floor at the other end of the range better than my naked ear.
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No and no.Use a cartridge with less maximum pressure.
Use a loading for your cartridge with slower burning powder to cause the sound to be stretched out over a longer time with a lower peak sound level
What matters is muzzle pressure, not peak pressure. Else a .22 pistol would not be louder than a .22 rifle, shooting ammo from the same box.
Peak pressure is the same between the above two. Peak pressure matters not at all from a sound perspective (except if it is too low to obdurate the case in the chamber). This, because while the case seals the breech and the bullet seals the barrel, the system is closed and emits very little sound.
You want a small volume of faster burning powder. A larger volume of slow burning powder increase muzzle pressure, making the gun louder. That is why the latter is used when shooting a .38 Super with a compensator (muzzle brake) on it. Then, the mass and volume of the gas is also useful. For reduced sound it is not.Comment
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I have:
Audiologist made neoprene fitted plugs
Quiet Please expanding foam plugs
3 different hi Db muffs including an ...active... one.
Everything but a suppressor. Which could be quiet in Calif because I'd be in a cell.
Believe me, I have been working on this for a while.Comment
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May the Bridges I burn light the way.
Life Is Not About Waiting For The Storm To Pass - Its About Learning To Dance In The Rain.
Fewer people are killed with all rifles each year (323 in 2011) than with shotguns (356), hammers and clubs (496), and hands and feet (728).Comment
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When I was a kid, I'd shoot my grandpa's anschutz 54 with eley ammo and no ear plugs. It sounded like an air rifle (subsonic ammo out of a long barrel).
My hearing was sharper then too, and it didn't bother me. Some cap guns were way louder.Comment
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I think you might be late to the game.
These guys make a muzzle break with an open tube that fits over directing gas forward.
They claim is not a type three device.
There have been other calgun discussion on this but as of yet it seems to be yet another legal gray area. There are other examples such as the strike industries oppressor or the sure fire warden. At least surefire and strike market these as blast diffusers instead of sound mitigation which might not be an accident. There are plenty of shops selling the warden and oppressor without tax stamps and into places like California.
If the question is what is legal the likely answer is no one knows. Until it goes to court and we get a ruling there is no way to know. While it might be helpful if cadoj would make their opinion of where the line is, they don't.
Since there are plenty of the devices being sold without tax stamps and as users funny modify them in any way I think it would of be rather hard up hill battle to say these are suppressors. While California has their own definition of what is a suppressor I don't think we have seen one device that didn't require a tax stamp but is a suppressor under california law, especially something that doesn't require modification.Comment
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