who is responsible to make sure the online purchased gun is California compliant?

[Dan_Eastvale]

I fully understand why sellers won't sell anything to CA. Too much hastle along with the possibilty of CA FFLs refusing to accept something due to FUD.

[newStar]

Seller, know what you are buying. But it is important for those here to know what you are looking to purchase. Is it an AR type, BM59, a pistol? A2

Posted below, it is Beretta M9, seller described as:
Below are seller provided information of the list:

Action: SINGLE/DOUBLE
Barrel Length: 4.9
Brand: Beretta
Capacity: 10
Rim Fire: Centerfire
Distinguishing Factor: false
Frame Finish: Black Bruniton
Frame Material: ALUMINUM ALLOY
Frame Size: Full
General Finish: BLUE/BRUNITON (MATTE BLACK)
Grip Material: Synthetic
Part Number: J92M9A0
Product Name: Beretta Commercial M9
Safety: Slide Mounted Manual/Decocker
Series: Commercial
Front Sights: 3-Dot
General Sights: 3 DOT FIXED SIGHTS/M9 DOT AND POST
Slide Finish: Black Bruniton
Slide Material: Stainless Steel
Stock Material: Black Plastic Grips
Total Height: 5.4
Total Length: 8.5
UPC: 082442816838

[QuinnBayArea]

100% the Buyer. We ship back immediately about one in eight guns shipped to us for non-compliance.

[n8vrmind]

Would it be reasonable, or normal practice, to ask FFL to check a specific list is CA compliant before we order? This sounds to save things for everybody, but not sure if FFLs are willing to do that.

If you walk into a CA gun shop and ask the store to order a gun for you (and you pay the store's asking price). Ya, then they will verify it is on the roster.

But if you plan on using the gun shop simply as FFL for receiving gun you buy online and DROS....then it is YOUR responsibility to verify it is CA approved and accept financial loss if gun can't be DROS'ed to you.

Regardless of any advice you may get here, you are ultimately responsible by law for any guns you own.

[The Gleam]

Buyer; because there is NO reason that the buyer can't simply check the Roster against Model and SKU numbers. It's all there, inside of about 3 clicks away from here.

This is all so relevant now, because so many Newbs are carelessly buying their first gun, sure to be making mistakes, and out-of-state sellers are not going to have the Roster compliance in their contextual care.

Hence why so many dealers are posting anecdotes of send-backs on their websites along with explanations as to how/what buyers of online guns hoping to send it to their FFL need to do to be sure it's OK in CA.

[newStar]

Buyer; because there is NO reason that the buyer can't simply check the Roster against Model and SKU numbers. It's all there, inside of about 3 clicks away from here.

This is all so relevant now, because so many Newbs are carelessly buying their first gun, sure to be making mistakes, and out-of-state sellers are not going to have the Roster compliance in their contextual care.

Hence why so many dealers are posting anecdotes of send-backs on their websites along with explanations as to how/what buyers of online guns hoping to send it to their FFL need to do to be sure it's OK in CA.

I guess the difficulty part for many people is that the roster does not give all SKU numbers. Many of them, like the one of the above listed Beretta M9, are only listed on the roster by names. Sellers listed gun names may not use exact words as the roster uses, which may make those guns look similar but not 100% sure if they are the same. Like to know how people judge if a gun is the one on the list when there is no SKU number on the roster.

[kurac]

The buyer, besides CA, there are 49 other states, your problem is not their problem and now you know why a lot of sellers refuse to ship to CA.

[pythonfan]

Buyer, seller or FFL, who is responsible for the online ordered firearms are on the California roster?

Thats a loaded question.

-Financially responsible for any issues- the buyer 100% responsible

-Legally responsible to confirm it is on roster before proceeding with the dros - the receiving ffl 100% responsible

-seller has no responsibility in the matter as long as they haven't broken california law. (AW laws or sending to a non ffl) no crime in sending a non AW off roster handgun to a california ffl.


Bottom line is it costs sellers and receiving ffls money/time to right your wrong. Life lesson on your dime as the buyer.

[n8vrmind]

I guess the difficulty part for many people is that the roster does not give all SKU numbers. Many of them, like the one of the above listed Beretta M9, are only listed on the roster by names. Sellers listed gun names may not use exact words as the roster uses, which may make those guns look similar but not 100% sure if they are the same. Like to know how people judge if a gun is the one on the list when there is no SKU number on the roster.

Google search Barretta part#J92M9A0 and look for results from Bud's Gun shop and Wilde Build Tactical. You should find your answer.

If you need more assurance, call Barretta USA customer service.

[The Gleam]

I guess the difficulty part for many people is that the roster does not give all SKU numbers. Many of them, like the one of the above listed Beretta M9, are only listed on the roster by names. Sellers listed gun names may not use exact words as the roster uses, which may make those guns look similar but not 100% sure if they are the same. Like to know how people judge if a gun is the one on the list when there is no SKU number on the roster.

One way to narrow it down is based on one simple reason alone (unfortunately):

That is, the manufacturer will usually have one MPN/SKU that comes with 10-Round Magazines only (i.e., for California and similar Anti-2nd Amendment States), and another version that comes with High-Capacity Magazines, in this case, 15-rounders. Narrow it down to those 10-round mag MPN/SKU first, and of those determine which one is on the Roster.

In this very simple case, most wholesalers identify which Beretta MPN is the correct match for CA and note it comes only with 10-round magazines. In one single click Google search, I found the following correct one for CA from several wholesalers (prominently, RifleGear and Sportsman's Warehouse).

Beretta 92 M9 - (For CA) - MPN: J92M9A0 // SKU: BER-J92M9A0

But I think you have a bigger hurdle on your hands; finding one in stock.

[Jcm446]

Buyer and FFL.
I ran into this last month. Bought a new pistol from Buds that was on their California approved list. My mistake was I didn't go to the roster and double check. When I got to my FFL to DROS they couldn't find it on the roster. Buds response was " It's buyers responsibility to confirm it is legal in California"