who is responsible to make sure the online purchased gun is California compliant?

[NATO762]

Doesn't the FFL look at it to see if it has a "shoulder thing that goes up" or other evil features, and then refuse to do the transfer?

[beanz2]

Though not his responsibility, the seller still gets the hassle if the gun doesn’t meet CA compliance. He loses a sale, and risks the gun getting stolen, damaged or delayed in transit.

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[edgerly779]

Shipped handgun on the buyer. Seller not involved in Kommiefornia laws.

[hermosabeach]

new jersey and hawaii

A seller with half a brain would be responsible. I know CA laws better than most CA FFLs.
When somoen wants to buy form me I make sure it is legal on the roster or an offlist long gun that can be converted. Would be a waste of my time to not take the 5 minutes to verify i can ship. I have never needed to have a gun sent back to me. Only times i had guns sent back was when the CA FFL had no idea what he was doing.

the joy is many individuals sell on Gun Broker and Mom and pop shops.

How do they know about the laws in Hawaii, CA and Jersey?

not everyone is aware that OTM ammo is illegal in Jersey....



An FFL posted yesterday that 1 in 8 guns gets returned.

so 12 1/2% of people ordering stuff to their shop... they get to return...

open it
log it in
log it out
repackage it
ship it out
send tracking # to customer....


makes me want to open a gun shop...

[audiophil2]

the joy is many individuals sell on Gun Broker and Mom and pop shops.

How do they know about the laws in Hawaii, CA and Jersey?

not everyone is aware that OTM ammo is illegal in Jersey....



An FFL posted yesterday that 1 in 8 guns gets returned.

so 12 1/2% of people ordering stuff to their shop... they get to return...

open it
log it in
log it out
repackage it
ship it out
send tracking # to customer....


makes me want to open a gun shop...

If I'm going to sell sometihng I want to know the law. 10 minutes of research is all that needed. Google works wonders. Maybe back in 1985 it would be difficult bu tnot today. I ship to NY, CT, NJ. Ca is not my only ban state.

I only get returns from Ca due to CA FFLs not having a clue. I've had maybe 5 guns returned out of i gues 4000 shipped to CA. maybe less returned. so insignificant I cannot remember. maybe 2 scorpions.

I've shipped to guam and PR. Does not take a genius to look up a law and if i can't find it in 10 minutes I call a FFL in the ban state. Some buyers like to lie.

[kcheung2]

Regardless of who's responsible to ensure compliance, the person who's on the hook to pay the costs of return shipping, return fees, & any FFL processing fee is the buyer. In the end that could result in the hopeful but unfulfilled buyer having paid several hundred $$ for... nothing.

So with that potential consequence, as a buyer I would make it my responsibility to get all my ducks lined up right.

[M1NM]

In an ideal world
Buyers job to figure out what he is buying is legal (Long gun or hand gun)
Sellers job to rely on buyer or check himself that gun is CA compliant
. This is why most don't want to deal with CA and possibly run afoul of CA DOJ
Receiving FFL to check when gun arrives if it is CA compliant and return it to seller if not. Buyer will owe FFLs fees and costs.

[newStar]

Would it be reasonable, or normal practice, to ask FFL to check a specific list is CA compliant before we order? This sounds to save things for everybody, but not sure if FFLs are willing to do that.

[9Cal_OC]

A seller with half a brain would be responsible. I know CA laws better than most CA FFLs.
When somoen wants to buy form me I make sure it is legal on the roster or an offlist long gun that can be converted. Would be a waste of my time to not take the 5 minutes to verify i can ship. I have never needed to have a gun sent back to me. Only times i had guns sent back was when the CA FFL had no idea what he was doing.

[P5Ret]

If you tell people what you're looking for, maybe someone can give you a much more specific answer to point you in the right direction on who to contact.

I don't think you're going to find too many out of state FFLs that are willing to get into extra research now with the way things are. When it is far easier for them to sell it to someone in any of the other states that don't have these types of restrictions in place.

[Mr. Beretta]

If you tell people what you're looking for, maybe someone can give you a much more specific answer to point you in the right direction on who to contact.

I don't think you're going to find too many out of state FFLs that are willing to get into extra research now with the way things are. When it is far easier for them to sell it to someone in any of the other states that don't have these types of restrictions in place.

This x 100!

OP what are you trying to buy?

[USMCM16A2]

Seller, know what you are buying. But it is important for those here to know what you are looking to purchase. Is it an AR type, BM59, a pistol? A2

[newStar]

Below are seller provided information of the list:

Action: SINGLE/DOUBLE
Barrel Length: 4.9
Brand: Beretta
Capacity: 10
Rim Fire: Centerfire
Distinguishing Factor: false
Frame Finish: Black Bruniton
Frame Material: ALUMINUM ALLOY
Frame Size: Full
General Finish: BLUE/BRUNITON (MATTE BLACK)
Grip Material: Synthetic
Part Number: J92M9A0
Product Name: Beretta Commercial M9
Safety: Slide Mounted Manual/Decocker
Series: Commercial
Front Sights: 3-Dot
General Sights: 3 DOT FIXED SIGHTS/M9 DOT AND POST
Slide Finish: Black Bruniton
Slide Material: Stainless Steel
Stock Material: Black Plastic Grips
Total Height: 5.4
Total Length: 8.5
UPC: 082442816838

[audiophil2]

Regardless of who's responsible to ensure compliance, the person who's on the hook to pay the costs of return shipping, return fees, & any FFL processing fee is the buyer. In the end that could result in the hopeful but unfulfilled buyer having paid several hundred $$ for... nothing.

So with that potential consequence, as a buyer I would make it my responsibility to get all my ducks lined up right.

Saving costs and headaches on both ends is why I make it my responsibilty.

Sure i can charge for all the problems. But that only makes a bitter customer. And that doe snot include the profit loss form the time spent fixing a mistake instead of selling more guns. a $50 profit can cost me $200 in lost revenue fixing it. Can't charge a customer $200 and not give him a gun.

and what do i do when the buyer does not want to pay for his mistake? Can't keep the gun. All the disclaimers in the world can't alwasy cover this stuff. So the smar t thing is to make sure it is legal.

[audiophil2]

Below are seller provided information of the list:

Action: SINGLE/DOUBLE
Barrel Length: 4.9
Brand: Beretta
Capacity: 10
Rim Fire: Centerfire
Distinguishing Factor: false
Frame Finish: Black Bruniton
Frame Material: ALUMINUM ALLOY
Frame Size: Full
General Finish: BLUE/BRUNITON (MATTE BLACK)
Grip Material: Synthetic
Part Number: J92M9A0
Product Name: Beretta Commercial M9
Safety: Slide Mounted Manual/Decocker
Series: Commercial
Front Sights: 3-Dot
General Sights: 3 DOT FIXED SIGHTS/M9 DOT AND POST
Slide Finish: Black Bruniton
Slide Material: Stainless Steel
Stock Material: Black Plastic Grips
Total Height: 5.4
Total Length: 8.5
UPC: 082442816838

thats on the roster as m9 commercial