Stupid Rangemaster Rules

[wurger]

Lol give a person a title and now they have authority!

Funny, at the shooting range, they do have authority.

Crazy, huh? Don't like it, don't go.

How about you get trained, and hired as a range master, and spend your days dealing with a bunch of entitled prima dona types who think they all know it all and don't have to follow the range rules, and see how flexible you are feeling at work every day.

Every time I go to a public range, I see at least one act of stupidity from a shooter, sometimes inattention, sometimes inexperience, sometimes because they are just straight up an idiot. And I typically spend, at most, 30 minutes at an public range. Assuming that is an average, a range master could easily see at least 16-20 stupid actions by shooters on their range during their shift.

Any wonder why they would snap at some "I know better than you" whiner on their range?

I have totally encountered range masters who have been acting like a Johnson, but having worked a small amount as a RM, I can understand why their shorts may be twisted. Having walked a short distance in their shoes, I won't argue, even if they may not technically be correct.

[SmokeTheClay]

I have an idea. All of you that want to bash the shooting ranges(and their rules), do not agree with their rules, want to whine about something about the range---just do not go to the range. Novel idea and then both sides can go about their business and not be all butt hurt.
I know for a fact most ranges open to the public around me are closed. The one open is a member/public range and is an outdoor rifle and pistol shooting and at times there is a wait to get to shoot.
We get all sorts of people there. Good one and ones that cannot follow any simple rules even when told several time. Ones shooting rifles without any sights(yes AR's) and cannot understand why we tell them to stop when they are sending rounds over the backstop. Some even feel we are unfair and some may even whine on the internet about it.

So bottom line is that it is their range and their rules. If you do not like it do not go.

What do you suggest people do when the RSO makes up his own rules that contradict the range rules?

[ahom]

There's range rules then there's made up BS from power tripping Captain Americas

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[wurger]

What do you suggest people do when the RSO makes up his own rules that contradict the range rules?

STFU or go home. It's not that hard. Or call management out and see what happens (probably not what you think - you'll just come across like another entitled d-nozzle and 99% chance management will support their RO). A lot of posts in this thread are excellent illustrations as to why RSO's get pissed off. Mucho entitlement.

[SmokeTheClay]

Went to the range today. Been going there for years and one of the rangemasters was a complete idiot.

He wanted the safety ON when I was away from the rifle. Mag was out and bolt was back. I asked what do you do with 1911s when the mag is out and the slide is back. No response. MORON

then later this idiot wanted me to be to the side of my rifle because the butt of my rifle was a few inches behind the back of the bench. So he did NOT want me straight behind the rifle to manage recoil. IDIOT

Another rangemaster put him in his place after I explained. What a moron.

What do you suggest people do when the RSO makes up his own rules that contradict the range rules?

STFU or go home. It's not that hard. Or call management out and see what happens (probably not what you think - you'll just come across like another entitled d-nozzle and 99% chance management will support their RO). A lot of posts in this thread are excellent illustrations as to why RSO's get pissed off. Mucho entitlement.

You seem to have made it to the third page of this thread. Did you read the very first post?

[Divernhunter]

Where I go rules are posted. Follow those and you have no problem.
Another range you have to sign a set of rules and a waiver. Follow them and you are fine.
If you are truly unhappy with an RSO and think he is overstepping then go to the people/person above him. Most of the time you will find out you are wrong and can leave. But if you are right then good for you.

I see so many stupid acts at the range and many more unsafe ones that many shooters never pick up on. I am not new to this and have been shooting since the 1960's. I also have had training. I have taught shooting for many years. I am far more qualified than most of the entitled, not responsible for their actions, it is owed to me, I know it all(but shoot crappy) group of people that are the ones who are usually the problem at the range.

When I RSO just how many times do I need to tell a person about breaking the SAME RULE before I become the Asshat that has to do something. Please give me a number--SmokeThe Clay?? I will start to be a bit less of a baby sitter and friendly after 5 times usually ---but that is just me.

Some of you are so quick to "boycott" a manufacturer or sales company. Why do you not just boycott a range YOU do not like for whatever perceived reason. I am sure the range will be happy you are not there when you are the problem customer.


Like I said if you do not like how they run the range just stay home or go somewhere else.

[otteray]

I was done shooting and Had one tell me I could not pick up my .45 brass, I told him try and stop me,
I told him if he laid hands on me I would put him in the Hospital.
This was after I was told I could pick up my brass by the guy at the front counter, The guy just stood there and gave me the death stare.

Wow, overly aggressive way to respond to anyone at a range.
How could you even imagine that a RO would physically restrain you from picking up brass?
A threat like that shows bad sportsmanship, and possibly have you escorted to the exit gate and asked to not come back until you can be civil and not hotheaded.

[divingin]

I am an NRA RSO and we are taught that the house rules at every range are the governing regs. If the house rules say that removable magazines must be removed at cold range status, then that is the rule. If the house rules say safeties must be on when the range is cold, then that is the rule.

Bingo!

[SmokeTheClay]

Where I go rules are posted. Follow those and you have no problem.
Another range you have to sign a set of rules and a waiver. Follow them and you are fine.
If you are truly unhappy with an RSO and think he is overstepping then go to the people/person above him. Most of the time you will find out you are wrong and can leave. But if you are right then good for you.

I see so many stupid acts at the range and many more unsafe ones that many shooters never pick up on. I am not new to this and have been shooting since the 1960's. I also have had training. I have taught shooting for many years. I am far more qualified than most of the entitled, not responsible for their actions, it is owed to me, I know it all(but shoot crappy) group of people that are the ones who are usually the problem at the range.

When I RSO just how many times do I need to tell a person about breaking the SAME RULE before I become the Asshat that has to do something. Please give me a number--SmokeThe Clay?? I will start to be a bit less of a baby sitter and friendly after 5 times usually ---but that is just me.

Some of you are so quick to "boycott" a manufacturer or sales company. Why do you not just boycott a range YOU do not like for whatever perceived reason. I am sure the range will be happy you are not there when you are the problem customer.


Like I said if you do not like how they run the range just stay home or go somewhere else.

This range also has rules.

A safety on when the range is cold is not in the rules
Having the butt of the rifle in front of the rear end of the table is not in the rules.

If you’re shooting from a bench do you make sure the buttstock does not go past the rear of the bench?

[jtv3062]

Maybe this needs to be shown during the RSO training class. Just because you see somthing a hundred times a day doesn't mean you should treat people with disrespect who may just need a reminder on a safety rule.

[f250sd]

rules should be simple and posted i do not like unwritten rules

Agree 1000%

[Diversity210]

This range also has rules.

A safety on when the range is cold is not in the rules
Having the butt of the rifle in front of the rear end of the table is not in the rules.

You seem to really badly convince people that your rant and behavior is justified, but as you have probably seen in the thread. You aren't going to get very many people on your side. At the range the RSO is the authority on the line. You can either listen to that person or pack your gear and leave.

[cheesyhybrid]

If the safety can be on with the bolt back, why not just put it on? If it just can't be done, and I'm sure there are guns like that, fine, you can explain nicely. I know, I know, the gun can't fire blah blah blah, but you're not aiming at a target, you have no intention to shoot, so if you're at a range just put the safety on. I don't see how that makes the range officer a jerk to ask you to be double cautious and have some safety redundancy when shooting with others.

[norcal77]

I’m pretty amazed at the responses in this thread, if the RSO was giving bad advice there’s nothing wrong w calling him out. To blindly follow orders when you know they’re wrong is asinine. The fact another RSO took OPs side is proof that person was on power trip about something they didn’t know about.

[omega]

the RSO is King of the Mountain while your at his range