Forgive me can someone explain....

[Librarian]

Let's super simplify this. This does not cover every single conceivable scenario, but I am trying to distill it down for a first timer CA gun buyer in such a way that is easily palpable. Again, statements here are sweeping generalizations that are not 100% accurate but made in such a way as to make it easily understandable.

Nice summary.

For a bit longer, see the wiki http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in..._in_California

[kcheung2]

Lol yes I do. Didnt know that was an option. How is that different than receiving a gun from a regular non family member out of state?

Btw I like glocks i have one but not a fanboy, i did my research on the Taurus and found it to be a great option and not much different from a glock. Although I'm going to still keep my glock, but I look at glock like apple it's just a name and expensive not the best (I hate iphones)

There's lot's of Glock criticism, some valid some not, but this is the first time I've ever heard them called expensive & just living off their name.

[HUTCH 7.62]

There's lot's of Glock criticism, some valid some not, but this is the first time I've ever heard them called expensive & just living off their name.

The Croatians build a better copy.

[Rn_malonejr83]

There's lot's of Glock criticism, some valid some not, but this is the first time I've ever heard them called expensive & just living off their name.

Really I heard that alot before even buying mine, but it
Is more expensive than other guns like Springfield and definitely more than taurus.

[norcalAF]

Really I heard that alot before even buying mine, but it
Is more expensive than other guns like Springfield and definitely more than taurus.

Not sure where you are hearing about Glock prices, but the only Glocks that I have paid close to MSRP for were gen 4, and that was only because they are not on the roster and therefore purchased from private individuals on the secondhand market. The gen 3 Glocks can be had new from most stores for $500-$600 depending on model. If you qualify for blue label pricing (active military, law enforcement, or first responder) then a new Glock can be had for under $400 before tax and transfer fee.

[norcalAF]

Oh, and welcome to the forum. What part of Missouri are you from? I grew up outside of Springfield.

[Rn_malonejr83]

Oh, and welcome to the forum. What part of Missouri are you from? I grew up outside of Springfield.

St Louis

[Juniork5]

You stated that you brought your gun from Missouri and it was stolen then you stated you bought a gun here from the sounds of it you really have no idea what purchasing a gun in California is like. I am really confused by all your statements and find it very hard to understand what you are talking about.

[The War Wagon]

St Louis

Have you considered emigrating BACK? The United States is beautiful in springtime!

[Mickey D]

[norcalAF]

St Louis

Cool, you won't find BBQ like pappy's out here! I would recommend doing a bit of reading on the firearms laws out here. There are many laws and navigating them all can be a challenge, especially when it comes to modern sporting rifles. Best of luck to you, I'm sure you will find that this forum is a trove of information and most members are welcoming and supportive of new firearms owners and potential owners.

[joeymfd]

Let's super simplify this. This does not cover every single conceivable scenario, but I am trying to distill it down for a first timer CA gun buyer in such a way that is easily palpable. Again, statements here are sweeping generalizations that are not 100% accurate but made in such a way as to make it easily understandable.

1) If buying a "new" handgun, you can only buy guns that are on Kalifornia's approval list. Basically, this state needs to give its citizens permission to buy a specific handgun before they can buy it. The number of "new" handguns that have been added to the CA permission slip has been "nearly zero" since the year 2013. I'll leave you to do research on this on the side if you're curious. Suffice to say, if the gun was released in the year 2013 or beyond, it is safe to assume Kali has not granted permission for you a normal citizen to purchase it. Link to list/search engine: https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/cert...andguns/search

2)(a) There are an exempt class of people in Kalifornia (roster-exempt). The most notable single exempt class is police. Without making it too complicated with departmental differences, etc., just for the sake of your own understanding, police are allowed to purchase handguns without looking to the permission slip website. So, they can buy whatever they want, like those Taurus that you want, even if you can't, as an exempt class of people.

2)(b) A police officer is not forced to keep a firearm they don't want forever. Typically, if they've used a firearm on duty for some time, and something new comes out and they want to upgrade, then they are free to sell their exempt purchase to regular citizens, to free up money for their upgrade. That means that if you plan to purchase a firearm that is not on the permission list, your only chance generally (without getting into murky complexities of intra-familiar, gifting from out of state with zero compensation truly and purely intended as a gift, etc.) is to search the secondhand market for a handgun that a police officer is selling.

Note: FFL basically means a licensed gun dealer.
Note: Off-roster means any handgun that is not on the permission website linked earlier.
Note: As roster-exempt individuals know that they are the only source for off-roster handguns for non-exempt individuals, they generally (but not always) are the subject of price gouging. As a rough example, a Gen. 5 Glock 17 with an MSRP of $550 in 49 states will sell for $1000 in California, since it is an off-roster firearm being sold by a roster-exempt individual. A Gen 3 Glock 17, released back in the late 90s, meanwhile, can be purchased new from an FFL for as low as $470, if you go to the right FFL.

3)(a) To purchase any handgun in the state of CA new OR used, you must have a firearms safety certificate issued to you by an FFL after you have taken the test at said FFL. You must have a valid CA ID that does not state anywhere on the ID the words "Federal Limits Apply." If your ID does state this, you are subject to additional ID requirements (I won't go into it for now). You must also bring a secondary proof of residency (utility bill, car registration) that has name and address information that matches your ID.

3)(b) All firearms transactions in Kalifornia must go through a FFL, new or used. There is an additional tax on top of sales tax collected on all purchases by the state, as well as a transaction fee by the FFL. Typically when buying new the transaction fee is waived or reduced, but the tax cannot be abated. So, whatever price you pay for the firearm + tax, you will also be paying roughly $40 more for a new gun purchase, and roughly $50 more for a used one.

Note: Smith and Wesson Shield is on roster. Kahr makes several carry guns, such as the CW9, which is on-roster. These tend to be popular on-roster choices. Or, again, you could turn to the secondhand off-roster marketplace, but you will be paying for it.
Note: You cannot open carry in CA. You cannot concealed carry in CA without a CCW license. CCW is very difficult to get in CA, depending on what county you live in. If you live in LA County, it is nigh-on impossible at this time.

(3)(c) Once you buy a gun, new or used, at a FFL, you cannot take it home with you right away. You have to pick it up 10 days later, since the Kali insists it needs 10 days to check your background. And then if you don't pick it up within 20 days of your 10 days clearing up, then you have to background check another 10 days again, and pay the $40 or $50 fee again.

(4) if you've moved into CA from out of state, you have to register all your firearms with the state within like, 30 or 40 days or something, or you've done did an illegal in Kali.

this should be a "stickey"

[SR514]

I think... he said he brought a glock from Missouri to Cali, then it was stolen out of his car, then he bought another glock in Cali.

[norcalAF]

I think... he said he brought a glock from Missouri to Cali, then it was stolen out of his car, then he bought another glock in Cali.

What I gathered was he brought the Glock when he moved, it was stolen, and now he is interested in purchasing a replacement. The laws here are a cluster compared to Missouri, hence the confusion. I was a bit overwhelmed when I first bought a gun here as well after parking lot transactions had been the norm for my life until then.

[Den60]

I have 1 glock 17

Glock makes the subcompact 26. You mentioned something to carry. Do you know your county's CCW policies?