Forgive me can someone explain....

[Rn_malonejr83]

Something tells me you dont own any guns...

I have 1 glock 17

[Garv]

I have 1 glock 17

In CA that counts as an arsenal to many.

You need at least 11 rounds to hit the newspapers as a gun-toting lunatic.

[Rn_malonejr83]

In CA that counts as an arsenal to many.

You need at least 11 rounds to hit the newspapers as a gun-toting lunatic.

I dont understand

[Garv]

I dont understand

Sorry, sarcasm.

When newspapers report on gun arrests, they often make a big issue of having 3 or 4 guns and a few hundred rounds of ammo and calling it an arsenal.

Many of us have much more than those that get arrested and are not impressed with the way the news fear-mongers.

It is a small running joke around here.

[Rn_malonejr83]

Sorry, sarcasm.

When newspapers report on gun arrests, they often make a big issue of having 3 or 4 guns and a few hundred rounds of ammo and calling it an arsenal.

Many of us have much more than those that get arrested and are not impressed with the way the news fear-mongers.

It is a small running joke around here.

Lol oh ok sorry I'm new to this so will take me a bit to understand all of this I moved from Missouri few years ago so not used to all these gun laws, we do whatever we wanted out there, buying a gun and ammo was like buying a pair of shoes, nothing to it.

[MoBeansMoProbs]

First thing you need to complete is your firearm safety test. It's a 30 question multiple choice test, you need 23 or more to pass. The test is done at any ffl ie. Gun store, and you pay 25 bucks. If you pass, they print and laminate the card for you. Good for 5 years. This is a requirement, no going around this. Unless you're a cop or something, not entirely sure.

If you look on google, you can find a practice test/info as a pdf from the attorney general website. Pretty straightforward.

[mikeyr]

But I'm looking for a small carry size gun, like a g2c or tx22

Sorry for the obvious, but you know you can't legally carry in CA right ? Some counties will give you a concealed permit, but many will not.

[Rn_malonejr83]

First thing you need to complete is your firearm safety test. It's a 30 question multiple choice test, you need 23 or more to pass. The test is done at any ffl ie. Gun store, and you pay 25 bucks. If you pass, they print and laminate the card for you. Good for 5 years. This is a requirement, no going around this. Unless you're a cop or something, not entirely sure.

If you look on google, you can find a practice test/info as a pdf from the attorney general website. Pretty straightforward.

I did all that I bought a gun here.

[Rn_malonejr83]

Sorry for the obvious, but you know you can't legally carry in CA right ? Some counties will give you a concealed permit, but many will not.

Didnt know that at first, I had a glock from Missouri but my car got broken into and gun stolen, gave a police report about what was stolen and that's when I found out, officer gave me a mean look lol

[SR514]

Didnt know that at first, I had a glock from Missouri but my car got broken into and gun stolen, gave a police report about what was stolen and that's when I found out, officer gave me a mean look lol

You brought your glock from Missouri to Cali, and then your car was broken into?

[LateBraking]

Let's super simplify this. This does not cover every single conceivable scenario, but I am trying to distill it down for a first timer CA gun buyer in such a way that is easily palpable. Again, statements here are sweeping generalizations that are not 100% accurate but made in such a way as to make it easily understandable.

1) If buying a "new" handgun, you can only buy guns that are on Kalifornia's approval list. Basically, this state needs to give its citizens permission to buy a specific handgun before they can buy it. The number of "new" handguns that have been added to the CA permission slip has been "nearly zero" since the year 2013. I'll leave you to do research on this on the side if you're curious. Suffice to say, if the gun was released in the year 2013 or beyond, it is safe to assume Kali has not granted permission for you a normal citizen to purchase it. Link to list/search engine: https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/cert...andguns/search

2)(a) There are an exempt class of people in Kalifornia (roster-exempt). The most notable single exempt class is police. Without making it too complicated with departmental differences, etc., just for the sake of your own understanding, police are allowed to purchase handguns without looking to the permission slip website. So, they can buy whatever they want, like those Taurus that you want, even if you can't, as an exempt class of people.

2)(b) A police officer is not forced to keep a firearm they don't want forever. Typically, if they've used a firearm on duty for some time, and something new comes out and they want to upgrade, then they are free to sell their exempt purchase to regular citizens, to free up money for their upgrade. That means that if you plan to purchase a firearm that is not on the permission list, your only chance generally (without getting into murky complexities of intra-familiar, gifting from out of state with zero compensation truly and purely intended as a gift, etc.) is to search the secondhand market for a handgun that a police officer is selling.

Note: FFL basically means a licensed gun dealer.
Note: Off-roster means any handgun that is not on the permission website linked earlier.
Note: As roster-exempt individuals know that they are the only source for off-roster handguns for non-exempt individuals, they generally (but not always) are the subject of price gouging. As a rough example, a Gen. 5 Glock 17 with an MSRP of $550 in 49 states will sell for $1000 in California, since it is an off-roster firearm being sold by a roster-exempt individual. A Gen 3 Glock 17, released back in the late 90s, meanwhile, can be purchased new from an FFL for as low as $470, if you go to the right FFL.

3)(a) To purchase any handgun in the state of CA new OR used, you must have a firearms safety certificate issued to you by an FFL after you have taken the test at said FFL. You must have a valid CA ID that does not state anywhere on the ID the words "Federal Limits Apply." If your ID does state this, you are subject to additional ID requirements (I won't go into it for now). You must also bring a secondary proof of residency (utility bill, car registration) that has name and address information that matches your ID.

3)(b) All firearms transactions in Kalifornia must go through a FFL, new or used. There is an additional tax on top of sales tax collected on all purchases by the state, as well as a transaction fee by the FFL. Typically when buying new the transaction fee is waived or reduced, but the tax cannot be abated. So, whatever price you pay for the firearm + tax, you will also be paying roughly $40 more for a new gun purchase, and roughly $50 more for a used one.

Note: Smith and Wesson Shield is on roster. Kahr makes several carry guns, such as the CW9, which is on-roster. These tend to be popular on-roster choices. Or, again, you could turn to the secondhand off-roster marketplace, but you will be paying for it.
Note: You cannot open carry in CA. You cannot concealed carry in CA without a CCW license. CCW is very difficult to get in CA, depending on what county you live in. If you live in LA County, it is nigh-on impossible at this time.

(3)(c) Once you buy a gun, new or used, at a FFL, you cannot take it home with you right away. You have to pick it up 10 days later, since the Kali insists it needs 10 days to check your background. And then if you don't pick it up within 20 days of your 10 days clearing up, then you have to background check another 10 days again, and pay the $40 or $50 fee again.

(4) if you've moved into CA from out of state, you have to register all your firearms with the state within like, 30 or 40 days or something, or you've done did an illegal in Kali.

[Rn_malonejr83]

Let's super simplify this. This does not cover every single conceivable scenario, but I am trying to distill it down for a first timer CA gun buyer in such a way that is easily palpable. Again, statements here are sweeping generalizations that are not 100% accurate but made in such a way as to make it easily understandable.

1) If buying a "new" handgun, you can only buy guns that are on Kalifornia's approval list. Basically, this state needs to give its citizens permission to buy a specific handgun before they can buy it. The number of "new" handguns that have been added to the CA permission slip has been "nearly zero" since the year 2013. I'll leave you to do research on this on the side if you're curious. Suffice to say, if the gun was released in the year 2013 or beyond, it is safe to assume Kali has not granted permission for you a normal citizen to purchase it. Link to list/search engine: https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/cert...andguns/search

2)(a) There are an exempt class of people in Kalifornia (roster-exempt). The most notable single exempt class is police. Without making it too complicated with departmental differences, etc., just for the sake of your own understanding, police are allowed to purchase handguns without looking to the permission slip website. So, they can buy whatever they want, like those Taurus that you want, even if you can't, as an exempt class of people.

2)(b) A police officer is not forced to keep a firearm they don't want forever. Typically, if they've used a firearm on duty for some time, and something new comes out and they want to upgrade, then they are free to sell their exempt purchase to regular citizens, to free up money for their upgrade. That means that if you plan to purchase a firearm that is not on the permission list, your only chance generally (without getting into murky complexities of intra-familiar, gifting from out of state with zero compensation truly and purely intended as a gift, etc.) is to search the secondhand market for a handgun that a police officer is selling.

Note: FFL basically means a licensed gun dealer.
Note: Off-roster means any handgun that is not on the permission website linked earlier.
Note: As roster-exempt individuals know that they are the only source for off-roster handguns for non-exempt individuals, they generally (but not always) are the subject of price gouging. As a rough example, a Gen. 5 Glock 17 with an MSRP of $550 in 49 states will sell for $1000 in California, since it is an off-roster firearm being sold by a roster-exempt individual. A Gen 3 Glock 17, released back in the late 90s, meanwhile, can be purchased new from an FFL for as low as $470, if you go to the right FFL.

3) To purchase any handgun in the state of CA new OR used, you must have a firearms safety certificate issued to you by an FFL after you have taken the test at said FFL. You must have a valid CA ID that does not state anywhere on the ID the words "Federal Limits Apply." If your ID does state this, you are subject to additional ID requirements (I won't go into it for now). You must also bring a secondary proof of residency (utility bill, car registration) that has name and address information that matches your ID. All firearms transactions in Kalifornia must go through a FFL, new or used. There is an additional tax on top of sales tax collected on all purchases by the state, as well as a transaction fee by the FFL. Typically when buying new the transaction fee is waived or reduced, but the tax cannot be abated. So, whatever price you pay for the firearm + tax, you will also be paying roughly $40 more for a new gun purchase, and roughly $50 more for a used one.

Note: Smith and Wesson Shield is on roster. Kahr makes several carry guns, such as the CW9, which is on-roster. These tend to be popular on-roster choices. Or, again, you could turn to the secondhand off-roster marketplace, but you will be paying for it.
Note: You cannot open carry in CA. You cannot concealed carry in CA without a CCW license. CCW is very difficult to get in CA, depending on what county you live in. If you live in LA County, it is nigh-on impossible at this time.

Thanks for this!

[Rn_malonejr83]

You brought your glock from Missouri to Cali, and then your car was broken into?

Correct

[LateBraking]

Thanks for this!

No problem. That turned into more of a wall-of-text than I intended, but hopefully it covers most of the basic questions in one place.

Yes, Kalifornia sucks for 2A-exercisers. As all the anti-2A folk that are now panic buying due to Coronapanic are now discovering.

Edited the previous post with a point (3)(c) and a point (4) for some information that I missed.

[Rn_malonejr83]

No problem. That turned into more of a wall-of-text than I intended, but hopefully it covers most of the basic questions in one place.

Yes, Kalifornia sucks for 2A-exercisers. As all the anti-2A folk that are now panic buying due to Coronapanic are now discovering.

Forgot to mention in (3)(b) that once you buy a gun, new or used, at a FFL, you cannot take it home with you right away. You have to pick it up 10 days later, since the Kali insists it needs 10 days to check your background. And then if you don't pick it up within 20 days of your 10 days clearing up, then you have to background check another 10 days again, and pay the $40 or $50 fee again.

Oh, also, (4) if you've moved into CA from out of state, you have to register all your firearms with the state within like, 30 or 40 days or something, or you've done did an illegal in Kali.

Thanks I bought my gun here last year and aware of that ridiculous law unfortunately lol