Got pulled over last night

[velvitt]

A lot of story tellers on forums. I wonder if they do it for the laughs or see what kind of responses stir up through the week

I merely do it for the laughs... What's your excuse?

[Master_Prestige]

I merely do it for the laughs... What's your excuse?

[r8dr rider]

Probably saw your Magpul sticker on your back window.

[SlowDrifter]

My thought is, they have no idea who's driving the vehicle just by running the plates. If they walk up to the driver and say, "I know you have guns," they just outed you as a gun owner to whoever you loaned your car to. That's personal information and it's none of their damn business what you own.

[Bill Bored]

This, absolutely.

Quick story,

My brother (Ret Riverside Sheriff) and I were driving home from Portland a couple years back. I'm driving his sedan which is black and slightly lowered with aftermarket wheels. We left Portland late and decided to drive till we crossed the border....we also took PCH.

The last 4 small towns we drove through between 11:00pm - 1:00am we got pulled over in EACH one. That's FOUR times in less than 2 hours.

It got to the point where it was comical.

Here comes the next town....think we're gonna get pulled over AGAIN?

And sure enough....car gets behind us and lights us up.

The last town he was parked in a gas station. As we pass we see him pull out. No way. Yep, lights come on.

So yeah, reasonable suspicion? Probable cause?

F' that. It's late and there's a car. Lets pull them over.

Exactly. The main thing is you got pulled over that many times for no reason which shows the cops as liars inventing PC

[deadcoyote]

Plate lamp out and plate obstructed by trailer hitch were the two main late night fishing stops back in the day.

[SkyHawk]

Different states have different capabilities. Ca CCW info isn't attached to any DMV record.

True that it is not attached to a DMV record, but when CA LE requests dispatch to run a plate or a DL - that simple query can be used to run down many records in many different databases.

It is a simple programming exercise and it all depends on the particular department’s IT capability and investment.

One piece of information, any information, can be used to aggregate a screen full of pertinent details from many disparate databases that the LE department has access to. Which of those details the dispatcher chooses to relay back to the LE probably depends on many variables.

I have heard traffic related dispatches from agencies whose dispatchers are more like drive-thru order takers, and I have heard dispatches from agencies whose dispatchers sound more like crime analysts. The latter folks seem to be able to run out someone to the Nth degree in a matter of minutes.

[SVT-40]

True that it is not attached to a DMV record, but when CA LE requests dispatch to run a plate or a DL - that simple query can be used to run down many records in many different databases.

It is a simple programming exercise and it all depends on the particular department’s IT capability and investment.

One piece of information, any information, can be used to aggregate a screen full of pertinent details from many disparate databases that the LE department has access to. Which of those details the dispatcher chooses to relay back to the LE probably depends on many variable factors.
I have heard traffic related dispatches from agencies whose dispatchers are more like drive-thru order takers, and I have heard dispatches from agencies whose dispatchers sound more like crime analysts. The latter folks seem to be able to run out someone to the Nth degree in a matter of minutes.

Only sometimes true, and yes some dispatchers are real good at ferreting out data.

in CA when LEO's (either in their cars or by a dispatcher) query AFS (Automated Firearms System) for firearms information related to a person they need a full name as well as either DOB or age. If only age is used the return may not be reliable because of common names. Also the query will return all names withing a five year range on each side of the stated age.

If there are more than 20 similar records the return will only show that number and will not return the actual information. If there are less than 20 returns the info returned will only show the similar names within that 10 year range, with no firearms data included. So a AFS check without a DOB isn't real reliable or productive.

Since registration info on cars does not include ages or DOB's of the registered owners it's all but impossible to get firearms data based on vehicle registration return info only during a traffic stop.

Now if the Officer runs the actual drivers license number, then the needed info for a AFS check would be available, however it would not be automatically run, as when AFS information is requested a reason for the request will be asked for in the query form..

Usually it's "field investigation" or something similar. However running everyone on every traffic stop for firearms info would probably trigger a audit by CLETS as a abuse of the system data.

And yes, Data managers at PD's do get regular audits asking why data is being requested when there are abnormal numbers of requests made without a reasonable need for the information.

[denpython]

This thread topic needs a "screaming woman and white cat" meme !

[wpod]

Soon it will be "bend over, I want to know what you had for lunch".

That's in New Mexico. Nearly every car I see pulled over on I-40 has 3 State Police vehicles and all the contents of the subject vehicle layed out on the ground.
I wouldn't doubt a roadside cavity search ensued.

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[The Gleam]

'I know you own a "margarita-style" blender... '

[The Gleam]

Only sometimes true, and yes some dispatchers are real good at ferreting out data.

in CA when LEO's (either in their cars or by a dispatcher) query AFS (Automated Firearms System) for firearms information related to a person they need a full name as well as either DOB or age. If only age is used the return may not be reliable because of common names. Also the query will return all names withing a five year range on each side of the stated age.

If there are more than 20 similar records the return will only show that number and will not return the actual information. If there are less than 20 returns the info returned will only show the similar names within that 10 year range, with no firearms data included. So a AFS check without a DOB isn't real reliable or productive.

Since registration info on cars does not include ages or DOB's of the registered owners it's all but impossible to get firearms data based on vehicle registration return info only during a traffic stop.

Now if the Officer runs the actual drivers license number, then the needed info for a AFS check would be available, however it would not be automatically run, as when AFS information is requested a reason for the request will be asked for in the query form..

Usually it's "field investigation" or something similar. However running everyone on every traffic stop for firearms info would probably trigger a audit by CLETS as a abuse of the system data.

And yes, Data managers at PD's do get regular audits asking why data is being requested when there are abnormal numbers of requests made without a reasonable need for the information.

What about firearms with the more detailed 'registration' under schemes of Roberti-Roos, SB23 "AW Features", AB50/.50BMG, or the latest "Bullet-Button AW" farce?

Do you know if those come up differently or have a different protocol for release/reporting through a dispatcher outside of general info by way of common DROS data in AFS?

[DevilDawgJJ]

It is standard procedure for some departments to run out the driver for firearms in AFS. Some will also run out the registered owner of a vehicle, so the officer knows who he might be dealing with before he even gets out of his cruiser.

It probably depends on the area, time of day, circumstances etc.

If they ever run me out in AFS, I will know because it will take about 3 hours to recite all the entries, and the officer will probably call for a Bearcat before he ever approaches my car to tell me my tag light is out

That is freaking hilarious! !!

[Richochet]

The officer ran the license plate number thru his on board computer and got a readout from the National data base which lists firearms registered to the driver. The Officer will know everything there is about you from his readout. And I mean everything. Trust me, I know these things!

[sigstroker]

That's in New Mexico. Nearly every car I see pulled over on I-40 has 3 State Police vehicles and all the contents of the subject vehicle layed out on the ground.
I wouldn't doubt a roadside cavity search ensued.

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Yes, don't drive through New Mexico without at least a few hundred in cash. If you're from out of state, they take you right to the judge. Of course there's a 105% chance you lose the "trial" and have to pay the fine, no checks or credit cards accepted. It may have changed since it happened to people I know several years ago. Luckily they were just a smidge short of what most people would call "wealthy" and had plenty of cash with them.