No Gun Training

[IVC]

From whatever his name is running down an entire crowd of peaceful; protestors at the 'Unite the Right' hate rally to the Dylan whatever his name is murdering seven black people who welcomed him into their church and prayer group, the vast majority of hate induced violence, vandalism and intimidation that continues to grow in this county is being perpetrated by so called 'conservatives' and angry scared white folks.

Cherry picking - most mass shooters are lefties. You found one who was a racist, but ignored the rest, from Columbine to Sandy Hook.

The "peaceful protesters" didn't have a permit to gather and were there to provoke, not to be peaceful. You used one idiot who did something stupid to paint the whole crowd. Do you judge all the left based on the dumbest action of a single person too? There are videos of all sorts of names that you can call yourself if you indeed do look at the single worst person in a group.

Besides, how do you know that people are "angry" and "scared?" That seems to be a projection, much like the left projects their own intolerance on others by claiming "we hate the haters" - no, the left just hates. Full stop.

As for your judgment of "white people," you've shown your racist tendencies in the past - seeing events or groups through the prism of skin color makes you a racist.

Far and away statistically this violence, intimidation, and hatred is not being perpetrated by the left. Nor by immigrants. Look at the numbers in the aggregate, there's no arguing that point.

Only if you believe El Salvador is a state in the US. Ever heard of MS-13? Most of them are illegal aliens in this country.

Show one right wing protest that went violent on its own (without having the left showing up for confrontation). Even the true racists know that they cannot act upon their hatred during organized rallies, something that the ordinary left simply doesn't understand - the left believes that they can claim the high moral ground and therefore their actions are excused.

How many videos have you seen of people with MAGA hat being attacked? How many videos have you seen of people with Hillary or Obama shirts being attacked?

Wake up!

[IVC]

NRA certs are a joke.

They are for "basic pistol/rifle/shotgun" and they teach safety and responsible gun ownership. Saying it's a joke completely misses the point. There are all sorts of Tactical Timmies who don't know the basic principles of safe gun handling even if they manage to (mostly) not hurt themselves or others.

[Usmc0844spare]

I have to say lying to a SNCO in order to stay in the Corp could be considered cowardly, when you had the Request Mast at your disposal. In fact a brave move challenging this would have endeared you to the antigun ACLU and other Communist's !.

Oh brother....

Point you seem incapable of understanding is this: I find the concept of there being a god so SILLY that it means literally NOTHING to me to lie about it. It's pretty much no different than if a SNCO came up to me and said "You better say blue is your favorite color or I am gonna put you on duty every weekend."

"OK, dork, blue is my favorite color. Now go back to yelling about people about white socks you F-ing retard."

Yeah.... making one of my first official acts in MCRD requesting mast over what my tags say about some fictional character makes a LOT of sense.

[ja308]

Oh brother....

Point you seem incapable of understanding is this: I find the concept of there being a god so SILLY that it means literally NOTHING to me to lie about it. It's pretty much no different than if a SNCO came up to me and said "You better say blue is your favorite color or I am gonna put you on duty every weekend."

"OK, dork, blue is my favorite color. Now go back to yelling about people about white socks you F-ing retard."

Yeah.... making one of my first official acts in MCRD requesting mast over what my tags say about some fictional character makes a LOT of sense.

If being an brainwashed atheist is of no concern why all the fuss about proclaiming it ?

Its an established fact that the Christian coalition supports candidates that support RKBA.
The atheist college egghead and the democrat atheist politicians who propagandise young folks are definitely anti rights !

As for teaching any but religious moral people;

https://defconnews.com/2019/07/01/anarchist-says-leftists-should-get-guns-to-kill-cops-and-right-wingers/

ANARCHIST SAYS LEFTISTS SHOULD GET GUNS TO KILL COPS AND RIGHT-WINGERS

when you see one of these people its IMPERITIVE you check them visualy for any sign of weapon profile . Then look for cover or concealment !
Stay in condition red !

[Usmc0844spare]

If being an brainwashed atheist is of no concern why all the fuss about proclaiming it ?

Its an established fact that the Christian coalition supports candidates that support RKBA.
The atheist college egghead and the democrat atheist politicians who propagandise young folks are definitely anti rights !

As for teaching any but religious moral people;

https://defconnews.com/2019/07/01/anarchist-says-leftists-should-get-guns-to-kill-cops-and-right-wingers/

ANARCHIST SAYS LEFTISTS SHOULD GET GUNS TO KILL COPS AND RIGHT-WINGERS

when you see one of these people its IMPERITIVE you check them visualy for any sign of weapon profile . Then look for cover or concealment !
Stay in condition red !

I win.

[code_blue]

They are for "basic pistol/rifle/shotgun" and they teach safety and responsible gun ownership. Saying it's a joke completely misses the point. There are all sorts of Tactical Timmies who don't know the basic principles of safe gun handling even if they manage to (mostly) not hurt themselves or others.

That IS my point. Yes, they are basic certs, but certified instructors treat the certs as their PhD's making them "gods of firearms instruction".

I ran into a female NRA instructor (at the level that can officially cert new NRA instructors) who touted her pedigree, yet couldn't tell the difference between a G43 mag and a Sig P238 mag. Her pistol 10-yard target looked like 00 buck at 25-yards!

There is a difference between a certed instructor and a true teacher.


EDIT: I just learned that the same female instructor was dry firing downrange to warm up except the pistol wasn't cleared and she ND'd... Massad Ayoob style. Jeebus...

[Scratch705]

I win.

USMC, you really shouldn't argue with idiots like that guy. just put him on your ignore list that many here have already done.

[Usmc0844spare]

USMC, you really shouldn't argue with idiots like that guy. just put him on your ignore list that many here have already done.

Meh, it's a pleasant diversion.

However, I will look into this ignore list you speak of.

[Usmc0844spare]

That IS my point. Yes, they are basic certs, but certified instructors treat the certs as their PhD's making them "gods of firearms instruction".

I ran into a female NRA instructor (at the level that can officially cert new NRA instructors) who touted her pedigree, yet couldn't tell the difference between a G43 mag and a Sig P238 mag. Her pistol 10-yard target looked like 00 buck at 25-yards!

There is a difference between a certed instructor and a true teacher.


EDIT: I just learned that the same female instructor was dry firing downrange to warm up except the pistol wasn't cleared and she ND'd... Massad Ayoob style. Jeebus...

Yes. When I was an NRA certified "whatever it was" back in the day, it was more or less a glorified hunter safety course I took. Needed it to be a range-master where I was working.

I didn't feel particularly more knowledgeable or skilled coming out of it. But... it made the county I worked for feel better somehow, so, I guess it was worth it to them.

[ja308]

USMC, you really shouldn't argue with idiots like that guy. just put him on your ignore list that many here have already done.

Hey scratch since you have never lowered yourself to the printed word via books .

I will give you a comment from George Orwell ( He was a writer) book 1984


"In a Time of Universal Deceit — Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act"

What IM saying is you fell for the status quo as defined by Hollywood and their fellow international types! you find the truth extremely offensive and thats your problem with me.

For the record, when I was NRA pistol/Range officer certified. I never had a trainer mentality. I viewed the job with humility and I enjoyed the honor of helping people enjoy learning a new skill.
I dressed in a white Berretta dress shirt, nice jeans, and leather dress shoes or boots. Topped off with Straw Steson fedora. My language was also respectful and courteous as words like bullets cannot be brought back!

USMC its my belief the only way we can win this war against the forces of disarmament is to have a christian church and try to live up to what John Adams and others have said and done.

[tenemae]

Basic safety: Yes.
Further training? No

Don't train the enemy. We'll all regret it.

[1911RONIN]

No Gun Training

Another propaganda thread from Ja308 troll.

Lets start debunking this one lie at a time:

'As a former NRA pistol insrutuctor' - As a never been an NRA member who's been through a few such NRA classes and trained with many instructors touting their NRA certification, I'm here to tell to NRA pistol instructor certification means nothing. It's like a degree from Phoenix University. NRA certified instructor credential means precisely nothing other than you gave the NRA a couple of hundred bucks, sat through a half day class and did, maybe another half day of minimal range time instruction.

"Teaching violent, immoral, non religious types is like pouring gasoline on a fire."

You call the left violent:, look at the list of violent happenings in this country. a pattern will rapidly emerge of violence being perpetrated by angry, mostly conservatives and mostly white and mostly men. From whatever his name is running down an entire crowd of peaceful; protestors at the 'Unite the Right' hate rally to the Dylan whatever his name is murdering seven black people who welcomed him into their church and prayer group, the vast majority of hate induced violence, vandalism and intimidation that continues to grow in this county is being perpetrated by so called 'conservatives' and angry scared white folks. That 'conservative' title in 21st century America problematic as well. The so called conservative have in this country have taken such a hard right turn that a more accurate description of conservatives is really 'White Christian Nationalists' Far and away statistically this violence, intimidation, and hatred is not being perpetrated by the left. Nor by immigrants. Look at the numbers in the aggregate, there's no arguing that point.

Non-religious sort are the problem you contend? Funny how the so called religious right is happy to cast their morals aside to support a thrice divorced, serial sexual assaulter, pathological liar merely to maintain their position of privilege and power. Where are their so called 'Christian values' now? Hey let's support a twice removed from the bench judge and serial creepy old man who, in his thirties tries to pick up on sixteen year old waitresses. Any dad reading this would you be OK with some thirty two year old guy hitting on your sixteen year old daughter? I don't think so. But hey the so called 'evangelicals christians' are happy to discard their supposed principals because he'll do everything he can to support their privileged position in American society

You all about morals. But the religious right has had every opportunity to stand on their supposed 'Christian/biblical' values. Tell me who would Jesus rip children from the ams of and out them in for profit prisons and deny them soap, toothbrushes, blankets and even beds? The American Journalist who was kidmapped by Somali pirates and held for, I think it was 32 months prior to being released noted that the Somali Parites gave him soap and toothpaste, a bed to sleep on and a blanket. A DOJ attire from the Trump administration named Sarah something argues in front of a federal circuit court last week that the US Government has no obligation to provide soap, toothpaste or even beds to these children the Trump DOJ has ripped from the arms of their parents.

Most of us are all for securing the US borders. But if you're going to imprison desperate people seeking asylum from the violence occurring in their countries, you think its OK to separate kids from parent, and make them sleep on concrete floor and argue in our courts that we're under no obligation to provide them with bedding, soap or toothpaste?!

The two plus years of the Trump administration have brought a marked increase in hatred, intimidation, racist and anti-Semitic violence occurring throughtou this country. The vast majority of which is being perpetrated by right wing nuts jobs. Many of which are supposedly 'Christians'. The is all being enflamed by Fox News and other bigoted on line perpetrators of hate you Ja308 so often site in you purposeful, intentional shrieking hysteria inflaming posts. This, is what your so called 'moral' 'Christian' values have brought to 21t century America.

Why is this all happening?

Let me quote LBJ here:

"If you can convince the lowest white man that he is better than the best black man, he won't notice you picking his pockets. Hell, give him someone to look down on and he'll empty his pockets for you."

All the justifiable economic insecurity the white working class and what little remains of middle class America has been brought to us by the 5%, the Walton Family, the Kochs and the roughly four hundred richest people in America.

They, their wealth and 'Citizen's United' which basically legalized bribery have manipulated government institutions to thier own ends and that of their stock holder. Again the vast majority of stocks in this country and head by the same five or ten percent of the population.

The very US Government institutions created to help protect the interests of working and middle class Americans have been perverted to serve the very monopolies and entrenched generational wealth and power that the US government was created to protect against. US Farmers now, by and large, cannot even store their own seeds. This to protect the economic interests of Monsanto and 'Big-Ag'.

Three men, Bezos, Gates and Buffet now control more wealth than half(!!) of the US population. And we're All OK with this?! Then you complain about having to see homeless people on the streets of cities?

The monopolist's practices, union busting, destroying small businesses and merchants and manipulating US tax and other policies to reward them for exporting US jobs is where you all should be directing your reasonably justified anxiety and anger. Not at the left, and certainly not at some desperate person wanting nothing more than to feed their kids and give them a better chance in life than they had. That latter, is among the most basic of American ideals.

Sadly, agin because of the actions of the wealthy, powerful and with the help of the entrenched political class that mostly draw their members from that same elite, world of privilege, they call it the 'American Dream' because increasingly over the last fifty years, you have to be asleep to believe it.

[Eureka1911]

God was so important during the War for Independence that General Washington was frequently in prayer and God
.

This is some nice info on G. Washington:

There are some who believe that Washington was only speaking of religious freedom in regard to Christian denominations, but did not intend it to apply to other religions. To a Jewish congregation in Rhode Island, he noted that,

It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.

https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/religion/8-facts-about-george-washington-and-religion/

[ja308]

This is some nice info on G. Washington:



https://www.mountvernon.org/george-w...-and-religion/

I enjoyed reading this and agree!
Thank you

tenemae yes but only a revolver because we want them limp wristing with a self loader, these people will obtain by stealing.

[psun786]

Lol ja308, you just don’t get do you? The reason CA is getting one anti gun billed past after another is because we don’t have enough people to vote against it! Now you want to discriminate atheism and mild liberal which probably represent a huge chuck of the CA population? You really think you can beat the trend with old and dying men alone?

The only way we can turn the tide is to get MORE liberal, young and woman starting shooting. Change public opinion toward firearm, making it a leisure sport like cycling, skiing, soccer for kids instead of defense tool only. Try to struck down unconstitutional laws in court can only delay death not avoiding it.