No Gun Training

[colossians323]

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They own the education system, in most States, so they may be small but if you have your kids, they are reaching hem with their anti american rhetoric

[colossians323]

Protip............................think communism

[Drew Eckhardt]

You want good guys with guns and training. You don’t want bad guys with guns and training.

In cities with murder problems, the overwhelming majority are criminals killing each other. Training would mean fewer misses and innocent people being shot.

Maybe go even further and require people to show their proof of citizenship

Illegal immigrants get amnesty and vote. President Regan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 legalizing most who'd been in the country at least four years. 75% of Americans support the DREAM act with a path to citizenship for those who were brought here as children.

Kids adopt their parents views on gun ownership. US born children of illegal immigrants are citizens who can vote as adults.

We're better off with them being exposed to firearms and voting our way.

and their NRA membership card.

People with NRA membership cards are already on our side.

We'd be better off accepting non members with shooting the gateway to gun ownership and voting to support our civil rights.

Include a NRA membership and its price in training programs. The NRA should support that with discounted memberships.

Make it a family event too. All kids should know the four rules of gun safety.

[1911RONIN]

No Gun Training

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They own the education system, in most States, so they may be small but if you have your kids, they are reaching hem with their anti american rhetoric

[Usmc0844spare]

Friends as a FORMER NRA pistol instructor, it is my belief that those who teach safety or marksmanship should avoid trying to recruit nearly every liberal to the progun side by actually giving them a lesson.
Teaching violent, immoral, non religious types is like pouring gasoline on a fire.

These continuing event from a major cities is evidence these people are dangerous ands unstable.

https://thenationalsentinel.com/2019/06/30/u-s-ambassador-grenell-calls-on-justice-department-to-probe-violent-antifa-attack-on-indy-journalist-in-portland-this-is-domestic-terrorism/

I know you are just a troll but whatevs... I am an atheist... I shouldn't be able to obtain proper training if I wanted it?

[ja308]

I know you are just a troll but whatevs... I am an atheist... I shouldn't be able to obtain proper training if I wanted it?

Unless the Marine corp has changed since I was in, the religion of atheism was not allowed. So what religion is on your dog tags?

That said, If I knew you to be a good person who was merely brainwashed by big media and sophist led govt schools. I would likely help you to learn safety and marksmanship.

lets face facts however, it is not the church going Christians who are the problem in society. We will probably be the 1st victims when the socialist killing fields begin, led by atheists.

Here is a recent story that is so common big democrat media doesn't bother reporting it!

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2019/07/01/several-philadelphia-police-cars-damaged-after-hundreds-of-teens-gather-in-north-philadelphia/

[Usmc0844spare]

Unless the Marine corp has changed since I was in, the religion of atheism was not allowed. So what religion is on your dog tags?

That said, If I knew you to be a good person who was merely brainwashed by big media and sophist led govt schools. I would likely help you to learn safety and marksmanship.

Not that it's any of your business but my tags said "No Religious Pref". And the only reason they did not say "Atheist" (you CAN be an atheist in today's military, thank the baby jeebus) is because I got major stink eye from the a-hole SNCO filling out the paperwork when I proudly declared "Atheist!". And no, the personal idiocies of some admin E6 at MCRD are not the requirements of the military, just some loser throwing his weight around against a scared recruit.

Yeah, actually, given that I was trained, under the threat of physical pain, by the finest small arms instructors in the world at MCRD (not really the finest but they are pretty good) and was subsequently an NRA certified firearms safety instructor myself (or maybe it was just firearms instructor, cant recall it was a while ago) I actually don't need any help, many thanks though.

I'll concede the point that your average "doing the right thing cuz I am afraid of going to the mythical place called 'hell' " god-fearing person is not likely to end up a career criminal.

However, as alarmed as I am that the likes of AOC are getting ANY traction in this day and age, you are drinking too much wine at the communion thingy if you anticipate Pol-Pot style killing fields in this country.

It's not the atheistic nature of the commies (whom my [also atheist] father's family fled from in 1945 thank you very much), but the fact that the christian values are anathema to the the progressive agenda. Nobody is coming after you just because you believe in the flying spaghetti monster up in the sky.

Edited to add: And your link has no relevance to the question of belief in god or not. You are assuming, plain and simple.

[SAD338]

[broadside]

You would probably consider me immoral and I am definitely not religious. Should I not have my guns? Maybe everyone should stop with the generalizations.

I am fine with trying to expose liberals and anti-gun folks to actual shooting. Introduction to firearms does not require actual training beyond the basics. If they want to be malicious in their actions afterward, they don't need your basic level of training, they can get that online. The personal, hands-on experience and camaraderie that comes with it is what actually changes minds.

[ja308]

Not that it's any of your business but my tags said "No Religious Pref". And the only reason they did not say "Atheist" (you CAN be an atheist in today's military, thank the baby jeebus) is because I got major stink eye from the a-hole SNCO filling out the paperwork when I proudly declared "Atheist!". And no, the personal idiocies of some admin E6 at MCRD are not the requirements of the military, just some loser throwing his weight around against a scared recruit.

Yeah, actually, given that I was trained, under the threat of physical pain, by the finest small arms instructors in the world at MCRD (not really the finest but they are pretty good) and was subsequently an NRA certified firearms safety instructor myself (or maybe it was just firearms instructor, cant recall it was a while ago) I actually don't need any help, many thanks though.

I'll concede the point that your average "doing the right thing cuz I am afraid of going to the mythical place called 'hell' " god-fearing person is not likely to end up a career criminal.

However, as alarmed as I am that the likes of AOC are getting ANY traction in this day and age, you are drinking too much wine at the communion thingy if you anticipate Pol-Pot style killing fields in this country.

It's not the atheistic nature of the commies (whom my [also atheist] father's family fled from in 1945 thank you very much), but the fact that the christian values are anathema to the the progressive agenda. Nobody is coming after you just because you believe in the flying spaghetti monster up in the sky.

Edited to add: And your link has no relevance to the question of belief in god or not. You are assuming, plain and simple.

So a proud atheist like you didn't do a Request Mast ? You rolled over for a flunky SNC while officers were there to take up the cause of atheism.

I also have to wonder if you are really a Marine as you forgot the "Riflemans Creed"

Rifleman's Creed[1]
This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.

Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will ...

My rifle and I know that what counts in war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit ...

My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my rifle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will ...

Before God, I swear this creed. My rifle and I are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.

So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but peace!

Take note it does NOT say: Before GAIA, I SWEAR THIS CREED .

Killing fields against Christian gun owners was in the works during the reign of Clinton.
Older gun culture people here remember those horrible days very well !

See my sig line.

[ja308]

There are three points of doctrine the belief of which forms the foundation of all morality. The first is the existence of God; the second is the immortality of the human soul; and the third is a future state of rewards and punishments. Suppose it possible for a man to disbelieve either of these three articles of faith and that man will have no conscience, he will have no other law than that of the tiger or the shark. The laws of man may bind him in chains or may put him to death, but they never can make him wise, virtuous, or happy.
John Adams

Here is an incident that happens dozens of times in the US. Shopping malls have been forced to close people lost investment money and jobs, because a certain group of people who used to religious are NOT.

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2019/07/01/several-philadelphia-police-cars-damaged-after-hundreds-of-teens-gather-in-north-philadelphia/

other examples are the knockout game or polar bear hunting etc.

http://whitegirlbleedalot.com

I read the book .

[Usmc0844spare]

So a proud atheist like you didn't do a Request Mast ? You rolled over for a flunky SNC while officers were there to take up the cause of atheism.

I also have to wonder if you are really a Marine as you forgot the "Riflemans Creed"

Rifleman's Creed[1]
This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.

Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will ...

My rifle and I know that what counts in war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit ...

My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my rifle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will ...

Before God, I swear this creed. My rifle and I are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.

So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but peace!

Take note it does NOT say: Before GAIA, I SWEAR THIS CREED .

Killing fields against Christian gun owners was in the works during the reign of Clinton.
Older gun culture people here remember those horrible days very well !

See my sig line.

Wow, you can copy/paste! Good job.

Well... they never actually made us recite the creed.... so there's that. And even if they did, I'd have pretty much mentally glossed over the "god" stuff like every other time it's come up, such as the pledge of allegiance when I was a kid (let me guess, I was sposed to stand in the door with my first grade teacher over that, right?).

Soo... the next place you will go is that "if you don't mean it when you 'pledge to god' then you don't mean the rest of what you say in the pledge either." That is not the case. Someone who paid attention in a philosophy class will be along to name whatever logical fallacy that is. I am perfectly capable of substituting in my own rationales for defending the flag and country and being a good Marine rifleman or whatever else, over and above god.

My attitude has always been, if it gets some simpleton off my back to say the word god, and I can go about my daily routine, and said simpleton goes away thinking he won some victory, then who gives a crap?

Anywho... the net-net is, someone who does not believe in god or any religion or any other stuff is perfectly capable of loving and defending their country.

Honestly dude, I am the wrong type of atheist to be wasting your time on. I fully embrace the concept of "freedom OF religion". No skin off my nose if someone wants to believe in a higher power. No, what you should be worried about are the "freedom FROM religion" type.

[code_blue]

NRA certs are a joke.

Just a bunch of old dudes being tribal with their antiquated techniques and "I've done this in my life and you haven't, so I know more than you" attitudes. Screaming, "Contact!", "Threat!", "Moving!" all day doesn't make you credible.

Tu Lam and a variety of other modern, practical instructors are what you want. They teach "adding to your toolbox for varying situations" and 3 dimensional movements while figuring out how to make it work for the individual. None of that, "My way is the best and only way" squatting like you've pooped in your pants or shoot from the hip BS.


Sorry, OT. Yea, I stopped teaching Libs a long time ago. You can't fix stupid. They need to experience helplessness at the bottom of the pit before they're willing to truly learn. Otherwise, it's just a "cool thing they did that one time" for social media points.

[ja308]

Wow, you can copy/paste! Good job.

Well... they never actually made us recite the creed.... so there's that. And even if they did, I'd have pretty much mentally glossed over the "god" stuff like every other time it's come up, such as the pledge of allegiance when I was a kid (let me guess, I was sposed to stand in the door with my first grade teacher over that, right?).

Soo... the next place you will go is that "if you don't mean it when you 'pledge to god' then you don't mean the rest of what you say in the pledge either." That is not the case. Someone who paid attention in a philosophy class will be along to name whatever logical fallacy that is. I am perfectly capable of substituting in my own rationales for defending the flag and country and being a good Marine rifleman or whatever else, over and above god.

My attitude has always been, if it gets some simpleton off my back to say the word god, and I can go about my daily routine, and said simpleton goes away thinking he won some victory, then who gives a crap?

Anywho... the net-net is, someone who does not believe in god or any religion or any other stuff is perfectly capable of loving and defending their country.

Honestly dude, I am the wrong type of atheist to be wasting your time on. I fully embrace the concept of "freedom OF religion". No skin off my nose if someone wants to believe in a higher power. No, what you should be worried about are the "freedom FROM religion" type.

We had to memorize the Riflemans creed and I should add I really liked that!

God was so important during the War for Independence that General Washington was frequently in prayer and God is so important today that the Marine Corp made you lie and say you had no preference.

I have to say lying to a SNCO in order to stay in the Corp could be considered cowardly, when you had the Request Mast at your disposal. In fact a brave move challenging this would have endeared you to the antigun ACLU and other Communist's !

Think of how you would be tied into history --- Future cal gunner Marine gets ATHEIST ON DOG TAGS !

Sir in all seriousness please get out of this crappy philosophy class's run by college eggheads who think their Grandad was Java Apeman.

[Frito Bandido]

Same people you said in another thread shouldn't be allowed to own guns, yeah?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

No caveats in there about your religion, political ideology or any of the other stuff you're talking about. What you're advocating is theocratic authoritarianism and antithetical to the Second Amendment.