NRA President will not serve 2nd term

[Noble Cause]

Fopa was good, they added the mg ban to it, where the NRA promised its suporters they would fight it, which they never did. The Cincinnati Revolt changed absolutely nothing in the NRA. Right now, the left is targeting the NRA because they are the biggest name, not because they are the biggest threat. The NRA has said multiple times that it does not believe citizens should be allowed to own machine guns, so between that and their failure to keep their word and challenge the ban, I call that supporting it.

Emphasis mine.

You mean like what Alan Gura did in 2008 District of Columbia vs Heller ?

You remember Alan, he is the guy that you guys pointed to as
giving credence to the New Yorker / The Trace / Mike Spies
Anti-NRA Hit Piece:

SCOTUS oral arguments

https://web.archive.org/web/20100528173702/http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/07-290.pdf

JUSTICE BREYER: What's your response to the
2 question?
3 MR. GURA: Well, my response is that the
4 government can ban arms that are not appropriate for
civilian use. There is no question of that.
6 JUSTICE KENNEDY: That are not appropriate
7 to --
8 MR. GURA: That are not appropriate to
9 civilian use.
JUSTICE GINSBURG: For example?
11 MR. GURA: For example, I think machine
12 guns: It's difficult to imagine a construction of
13 Miller, or a construction of the lower court's opinion,
14 that would sanction machine guns or the plastic,
undetectable handguns that the Solicitor General spoke
16 of.
17 The fact is that this Court's Miller test
18 was the only guidance that we had below, and I think it
19 was applied faithfully. Once a weapon is, first of all,
an "arm" under the dictionary definition -- and Webster
21 has a very useful one -- then you look to see whether
22 it's an arm that is meant to be protected under the
23 Second Amendment, and we apply the two-pronged Miller
24 test. And usually one would imagine if an arm fails the
Miller test because it's not appropriate for common
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1 civilian applications --
JUSTICE GINSBURG: But why wouldn't the

3 machine gun qualify? General Clement told us that's

4 standard issue in the military.
MR. GURA: But it's not an arm of the type
6 that people might be expected to possess commonly in
7 ordinary use. That's the other aspect of Miller.
8 Miller spoke about the militia as encompassing the
9 notion that people would bring with them arms of the
kind in common use supplied by themselves. And --

Alan is walking a Tight Rope, IMO, trying to carefully balance his points
to win his clients actual case (which was not about Machine Guns)
and trying to appear reasonable and moderate to the Anti-2A
justice's, trying to garner their support.

At least that is one reasonable interpretation of what he did.

And I think that's the same tactic David Keene was attempting
to use....

Your undoubtedly referring to NRA President David Keenes comments:

https://www.masslive.com/news/2013/02/nra_president_david_keene_tell.html

Keene has become a public voice for the gun rights group in national debates following the December mass shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. Twenty children and six educators were killed in the Dec. 14 shooting.

Asked why anyone should be able to own an assault weapon, Keene said that classification is subject to wide interpretation and noted that the AR-15 hunting rifle, for instance, is the most popular long arm rifle in the U.S.

"If it's commonly owned and widely used for legal purposes, then it should be available to the public," he said.

He also took questions from students at the sold-out event.

One asked which kinds of weapons Keene thought should be illegal. Keene answered "fully automatic weapons," which are already illegal for private citizens.

Another student who hoped to be a schoolteacher in the fall asked about the NRA's support of armed guards in schools and the negative impact it might have on learning.

Keene said he has toured Israel where he says armed security guards in schools are much more common than in the U.S.

"You can't always screen people who are going to do something like this, so security makes sense," he said.

Aha !! The Anti NRA people Screech. The NRA supports making
machine guns illegal !! We Gotcha !!!

My response:

Politics are nuanced, and you want people to listen and believe what
you have to say regarding 2A rights, not seem like a Unreasonable
Zealot Hell Bent on Destruction.

Mr Keene deflected a potential angle of attack from the Anti 2A crowd
by appearing reasonable to something that is already heavily regulated.

The only way Machine Gun "Rights" are going to be restored is by
the courts. There is Way Too Much Political Inertia to overcome trying
to sell the Public and Congress to allow them once again, many
politicians would consider it political suicide.

We have a hard enough time trying to stop the Anti-2A crowd from
Banning Semi Auto Rifles, and now you want to try and get public
support to bring back Fully Automatic Machine Guns ?



So it was a deflection, knowing full well that the best way to get back
ALL 2A Rights is by Stocking SCOTUS and lower courts with Pro 2A
Constitutional Judges, like what Trump is currently doing, and hopefully
will continue in 2020 with the help of the NRA.

You Choose Battles you can Win, so that you can Win the War.

Trying to get Machine Guns is a Bridge Too Far at this
moment in time, but if we play our cards right, there will be a
possibility in the future.

And yes, I think Machine Guns, Suppressors, Bump Stocks, Extended
capacity mags of any size should be readily available to law abiding
gun owners without jumping thru a bunch of hoops.


Noble

[Noble Cause]

They have won protection for the firearms industry: https://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/21/p...-industry.html

And in case you want to say the NRA had little to do with it, here's a quote from the article: But opponents called the bill shameful -- "bought and paid for by the N.R.A.," in the words of Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts.

In getting this bill passed the NRA shut down an avenue for attacking the right to keep and bear arms.

Exactly.

But the Anti-NRA Crowd conveniently forgets these hard fought victories.

Just like they have already forgot about the Freedom Week Win,
courtesy of the NRA & CRPA.

I can easily exceed any GOA list of accomplishes with NRA ones,
still waiting on Python6357 to some kind of substantial
list about all these things GOA apparently wins for us compared
to the NRA ....

Looking forward to it.

It won't even Be Close.


Noble

[ja308]

Nice work Noble, I always learn from the valid information you post in defense of truth.

Now it remains to seen whether some of these posters you have corrected,will acknowledge and admit their errors , proving they were sincere in believing lies.
Or will they double down and further embarrass themselves ?

[Noble Cause]

Nice work Noble, I always learn from the valid information you post in defense of truth.

Now it remains to seen whether some of these posters you have corrected,will acknowledge and admit their errors , proving they were sincere in believing lies.
Or will they double down and further embarrass themselves ?

Thanks...

I try to post only Fact based Information, with sources, so the readers
can make up their own minds on these complex issues, not because I
think any of these dogmatic ideologues will change, experience tells
me they won't, but I can help others decide what the Truth actually is.




Its attributed to Winston Churchill, but I didn't check for veracity.
So hopefully I won't be arrested by the Meme Police....


Noble