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So Pete brownell left first now Oliver north...hmmm, sounds like it is all screwed up. I’ve been saying this for a while now and all the CalGuns NRA fanboys flame me for bashing them. I am CRPA lifer, but I refuse to give a dime to NRA. I think chuck Michel is a good guy, I don’t think he is crooked like Wayne LaPierre and Chris Cox.
They are completely corrupt and crooked. NRA needs to go out of business, GOA, FPC, CRPA, SAF can backfill their position fine.Comment
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Yep, and if you say anything negative about the NRA or Trump, you're clearly a Dem troll and hate 2A. And if you don't throw money at them, you're a "freeloader" because, clearly, you should be required to pay money for your rights. Some of the people on this forum are just as stubborn and blind as a lot of the liberals are and use the exact same responses. LaPierre is a crooked business man who needs to go, along with Cox and many of the other higher ups in the NRA. It's never been a pro 2A organization, it was a pro hunter organization. Their track record proves that. When it was developed in 1891, the NRA was just about teaching gun safety. It wasn't until 1934 that it became political when they supported the 1934 NFA. They've supported pretty much EVERY single gun control bill since then. They are just as big of a threat to the 2A as the dems, and people are paying them for it.Comment
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Over and over intelligent, literate, liberty loving individuals have pointed out how without the NRA our rights to own, carry and use firearms would not exist today.
Yet the same armchair commando’s who are either dem trolls and or ignorant media fed chumps, keep on proclaiming that Wayne should dress like they do with short pants, sneakers or sweat pants, while he address’s successful hunters, shooters and affluent gun culture people.
Now I can believe the likes of Marion Hammer who spearheaded CCW in Florida and has dedicated her life to RKBA, or I can believe some cal gunners who obviously are jealous of successful men and leaders like Wayne.
Everyone I know who loves 2A and the gun culture, takes pity on poor, poverty stricken individuals who know only class envy and bitterness toward successful people like NRA members!
For the record it was the NRA who stopped gun grabbing Al Gore from being President. As a result we recently had the mag ban overturned with Judge Benitez.
Just got one !Last edited by ja308; 04-30-2019, 4:14 PM.Comment
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Prime example right here. The NRA does more harm than good as far as the 2A is concerned. They have backed more gun control than they've overturned. It's fudds like you that will be the final nail in the coffin for 2A because you blindly follow a company that claims to support your rights when in reality, they are helping to erode them. I'm not saying they've never done anything good, but as a whole, they are a corrupt company that is in it solely for profit. Wayne is a huge part of the problem. Not only is his salary WAY too much, but he continues to get it even in retirement. Don't forget the $200k he got for his wardrobe.
Here's some of the NRA's great accomplishments:
1920s NRA proposed a permit requirement for the carry of handguns that was adopted by 9 states as well as a 1 day waiting period
1930s the NRA helped author the 1934 NFA and 1938 GCA
1960s NRA supported banning mail order firearms as well as CA's Mulford act of 1967, and of course, the Gun Control Act of 1968
1986 NRA backed FOPA and the machine gun ban, promising to fight it, but of course, never following through
Present- NRA has backed the bump stock ban, red flag laws, as well as numerous local and state gun laws.
And what big wins have they actually won for us?Comment
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Well, lets examine your latest insinuations, that Pete Brownell not
serving a 2nd term is somehow related to the current upheaval with
North, implying in a coy fashion that Mr Brownell left because of
the NRA being "screwed up".
Did it Ever occur to you that Mr Brownell not serving a 2nd Term
had Nothing to do with your implications, and was do to his
particular circumstances ?
For openers:
Brownell's wife is a DEMOCRAT.
She supported Anti-NRA Shrew Hillary.
How Civil Must America Be?
Brownell has donated to the Very Liberal, Grinnell College.
Here is a description of typical Grinnell student, by a student:
pretentious, liberal, hippie, apathetic, unique, dirty, in a bubble from the outside world, suburbanites, vegans, good writers, alcoholic, marajuana-friendly, gay friendly, post-modern, long-winded, emo, dramatic, protesty, argumentative, shoeless, in the middle of the most beautiful place in the world, "no limits", high tuition, ugly campus center, clever, free-love, procrastinatory, intense
CONCERNED ALUMNI CALL FOR REFUSAL OF
BROWNELLS/REDMOND DONATION
This year has seen students, faculty, staff, community members and alumni banding together to call for the rejection of further donations from Pete Brownell to Grinnell College. Brownell is a Grinnell resident, the president of the National Rifle Association (NRA) and the CEO of Brownells, Inc, located just outside Grinnell.
Following marches, protests, forums and panels, letters written and petitions signed, there has been no response from Brownell regarding his relationship with the NRA or the College. The College has issued no public statement regarding the issue.
Some Grinnell Residents Relieved Pete Brownell
Won't Seek Re-Election As NRA President
So it appears Pete Brownell has other reasons why he didn't do a 2nd
term, and it has nothing to do with NRA being "screwed up".
And here is another example of you posting blanket statements
about the NRA that Are Not True:
Here is the Truth on the matter.
Lets see if the Anti-Gunners agree with you that the
NRA advocates for Red Flag Laws:
First, the NRA Watered Down a Red Flag Bill.
Then It Mobilized to Kill It.
The Trace. July 28, 2018
"Before this year, only five states had red flag laws in place, and the
NRA had opposed their passage., known
alternatively as extreme risk protection orders (ERPO) or gun
violence restraining orders (GVRO)".
(emphasis mine)
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Texas: Setting the Record Straight On "Red Flag" Legislation
NRA-ILA. TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 19, 2019
"Over the holiday weekend, a conservative "taxpayer watchdog" group
sent out an email to its contact list which gave the impression that
NRA-ILA does not oppose "red flag" legislation in Texas. One wonders
what the organization hoped to accomplish by confusing and attempting
to divide the gun community in this way."
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NRA-ILA. THURSDAY, MARCH 28, 2019
"Today, the Colorado Senate passed House Bill 1177, legislation that
could derive an individual of their Second Amendment rights without
due process, by an 18 to 17 vote. Senate President Garcia was the only
Democrat to vote no on the bill. HB 1177 now heads back to the House
for a concurrence vote. Please contact your state Representative
and strongly urge them to OPPOSE House Bill 1177."
=============== END QUOTE ==============
NRA Statement on Bump Fire Stock Rule
FRIDAY, DECEMBER 21, 2018
And I have Plenty more to back up the NRA's Actual Positions
on these complex issues, which is not even close to what you
have crudely implied.
The NRA has tried to do the Best It Can within the Constraints of
a Hostile Media, Hostile Democrat Party (the Party of Gun Control)
and Hostile Outrage Mobs produced by all the constant Demonization
of the NRA by the likes of Bloomberg and his Anti-Gun Minions.
Lets Not Help Anti-2A Bloomberg in his goal of destroying the NRA
by being tricked with all the Anti-NRA Propaganda being spewed out.
Keep Focused on the REAL ENEMIES of the 2A:
...The Democrat Party
...Bloomberg and his Billionaire Cronies
...The Mass Media (Now a Wing of the Democrat Party)
...Hollywood / Entertainment Industry
Support NRA, NRA-ILA & CRPA
if you would like to see More
Victory's in the Future.
NobleComment
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Don't Worry Cupcake.
I will be back to show the dishonesty of some of your comments.
But I'm restricted by Brandolini's Law
"The amount of energy required to refute bull**** is an order
of magnitude larger than the amount required to produce it."
And has far as my sources, I will let the viewers decide who brings
the better argument and who actually presents sources to back up
their points rather than You, who only presents unsourced opinion.
How about we play a little game.
You post up everything you claim GOA is working on
and what they have done for us.
And I will then match it with NRA / NRA-ILA projects
& accomplishments, and lets see which list
is more substantial.
NobleComment
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I see you deliberately left out the Creation of the NRA-ILA and
the Cincinnati Revolt, which turned the NRA from a complacent
"hunting sports" organization that occasionally backed gun
control, to todays position of being the largest and most effective
defender of the 2nd Amendment.
Which is why the NRA, not GOA, Not 2nd Am Foundation, is constantly
under attack from the Anti-2A left, with Bloomberg alone giving at
least $110 Million to take down the NRA.
And it appear to be working. We have some Gun Owners calling for
the destruction of the NRA...
falling for the Anti-NRA
Propaganda that has been spewed out by the likes of Everytown,
The Trace, NYT, WaPo, Huffpo, CNN etc, etc.
Your Comment about FOPA is Dishonest:
1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act, (FOPA) was a Pro Gun Bill pushed
by the NRA.
DEMOCRATS Sabotaged it by inserting the Machine Gun Ban
Crap into it, ... this weasel, Charles Rangel:
DEMOCRAT Charles Rangel, of ill repute, refused to call for a Recorded
Vote, after he asserted it had passed by Voice, which many claimed
it had not. A recorded Vote would no doubt had exposed this, hence
Rangel refused to do, after being challenged on it.
He knew it would not pass if a Recorded Vote was taken.
So the proper Blame is, once again, ON THE DEMOCRATS who came up
with the MG Sabotage, then dishonestly shoved it thru the house without
a properly recorded Vote.
To imply NRA was the one advocating for the Machine Gun Ban is
disingenuous.
NobleComment
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Red flag laws: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sNi...ature=youtu.be
Bump stock ban: https://home.nra.org/joint-statement
The GOA is currently challenging the bumps stock ban and the 34 NFA, both of which your NRA supported. But go ahead, keep denying the facts and keep throwing money at the company that's taking your rights away.Comment
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Fopa was good, they added the mg ban to it, where the NRA promised its suporters they would fight it, which they never did. The Cincinnati Revolt changed absolutely nothing in the NRA. Right now, the left is targeting the NRA because they are the biggest name, not because they are the biggest threat. The NRA has said multiple times that it does not believe citizens should be allowed to own machine guns, so between that and their failure to keep their word and challenge the ban, I call that supporting it.Comment
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They have won protection for the firearms industry: https://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/21/p...-industry.html
And in case you want to say the NRA had little to do with it, here's a quote from the article: But opponents called the bill shameful -- "bought and paid for by the N.R.A.," in the words of Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts.
In getting this bill passed the NRA shut down an avenue for attacking the right to keep and bear arms."An unarmed man can only flee from evil. And evil is not overcome by fleeing from it" - Col. Jeff Cooper
"Shot placement trumps all."
Originally posted by CSACANNONEERComment
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I've already supplied ample rebuttals to the above, but sure, just
to show the people following along what the truth of the matter is...
The Red Flag Laws are trying to be implemented WITHOUT DUE
PROCESS, pushed by Democrats who don't care about Due Process.
The NRA opposes this, and is stepping forward to make sure these
attempts include Due Process, which would otherwise be omitted
by the Democrats.
The NRA has openly opposed these laws being pushed by Democrats,
as noted before, but if they are going to be implemented anyway,
the NRA position is that it MUST include Due Process.
In the video you posted, the NRA actually explains their actual position,
of protecting Due Process, which has been mischaracterized:
So Trying to make the Best Outcome of a Bad Situation, the NRAAll fifty states currently have civil commitment procedures and many lack basic due process protections. This is unacceptable. The NRA believes that no one should be deprived of a fundamental right without due process of law.
Some have raised the issue of current ERPO laws in California, Oregon and other states, suggesting that the NRA supports those laws. This is false. The NRA strongly opposed these laws because they do not protect due process rights. We will continue to oppose confiscation schemes such as these.
In addition, the NRA opposes any effort to create a federal ERPO law, in which federal agents would be tasked with seizing firearms after a hearing in federal court. As states consider ERPO laws, the NRA will continue to push for the inclusion of strong due process protections.
is once again Vilified by the very people who should be helping
the NRA fight back against these poorly constructed laws.
NobleComment
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Those Precious, Precious, Bump Stocks that nobody heard of,
nor cared about, until Vegas. The Hill we should all die on,
expending untold amounts of Political Capital for a novelty
device....
If GOA's "No Compromise" strategy had been implemented
rather than the NRA's suggestion to have ATF review it, the
result would have been Congress, under tremendous political
pressure at the time, Banning Bump Stocks, outlawing them
with legislation, which would be a lot harder to undo.
A lawsuit against what the ATF did is quite likely to prevail,
on the other hand.
The NRA knows what battles are worth fighting, and what
battles are not worth the Political Capital and money expenditure.
GOA obviously does not.
And I don't mean to disparage them, I LIKE their Rhetoric, but
the problem is, their NO COMPROMISE stance means they will
never be as effective as the NRA is when dealing with Congress.
Remember, at the time there was a serious effort going on for
Congress to Do Something !, fueled by an Outrage Mob
whipped up by the Anti-2A Mass Media.
Actual Position On The Bump Stock Ban
Bearing Arms. Jan 13, 2019
https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2019/0...ump-stock-ban/
Quote:
"However, I also saw a lot of Second Amendment supporters lashing
out at the National Rifle Association and its leadership for calling for
the ATF to do just that. They viewed it as a betrayal. The NRA had
sold out our Second Amendment rights!
But did it? "
Quote:
NOT banned.
Why? Because politicians [had the votes] and were building steam
[in 2018 Congress] and moving toward a ban on all
semi-automatic firearms.
Quote:
[the call for regulation by the NRA took the wind out of this legislative
effort and moved the bump stock ban,
into the regulatory realm where it can now be argued against
(lawsuits have been filed ) and ruled on by the courts.]
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NRA Statement on Bump Fire Stock Rule
NRA-ILA. Friday, December 21, 2018
https://www.nraila.org/articles/2018...ire-stock-rule
Quote:
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The NRA produced the best outcome it could, given the lousy
position it was put in by Anti-2A Politicians desperate to appease
the Outrage Mob Stirred up the Anti-2A Media and Bloomberg's
Anti-2A Everytown:
Poll: 82 percent support a ban on bump stocks
The Hill. 10/13/17
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...on-bump-stocks
Quote:
Eighty-two percent of respondents say that so-called "bump stocks"
should be banned. Similar numbers favor banning assault-style weapons
and high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds:
79 percent and 78 percent, respectively
Quote:
Democrats have proposed anti-bump stock legislation, but GOP leaders
say change should come on the regulatory level, specifically calling for
action from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
On Thursday, the National Rifle Association announced its opposition
to bills banning bump stocks, calling them "intentionally overreaching."
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Which is why my support and donations go to NRA-ILA & CRPA.
Despite the recent upheaval and Allegations.
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