FFL refusing to do Off Roster PPT

[Jaysol33]

Ok. It’s Saddleback Valley Gun Center in Laguna Niguel :-(

So does anyone have something similar happened to you?

[SkyHawk]

Ok. It’s Saddleback Valley Gun Center in Laguna Niguel :-(

Saddleback Valley Gun Center - sounds like a good place to avoid. There are plenty of Pro-2A stores who deserve our business if they don’t want it. Sounds like they are bootlickers who have fully embraced Her Newsom’s hate for the gun and gun owners.

[SmallShark]

i let people use our restrooms even they are not buying anything.

[Jaysol33]

[stormvet]

[TKM]

Iron Sights in Oceanside refuses PPTs as well.

I'm pretty sure it's a required part of the license.

[Quiet]

I'm pretty sure it's a required part of the license.

If the CA FFL dealer does not sell or have an inventory of handguns, then they are not required to do PPTs. [PC 28065]

So, if the CA FFL dealer sells handguns, then they have to do PPTs.




Penal Code 28065
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a dealer who does not sell, transfer, or keep an inventory of handguns is not required to process private party transfers of handguns.

Penal Code 28070
A violation of this chapter by a dealer is a misdemeanor.

[caliguy93]

If the CA FFL dealer does not sell or have an inventory of handguns, then they are not required to do PPTs. [PC 28065]

So, if the CA FFL dealer sells handguns, then they have to do PPTs.




Penal Code 28065
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a dealer who does not sell, transfer, or keep an inventory of handguns is not required to process private party transfers of handguns.

Penal Code 28070
A violation of this chapter by a dealer is a misdemeanor.

To add to this.. the FFL is only required to do the PPT after a formal written request

[sfe187]

Sounds like this FFL is jealous of possible profits LEO can make thus not wanting to do the ppt even tho in this case the LEO and OP said no profit was gained.

Location noted.

[RickD427]

To add to this.. the FFL is only required to do the PPT after a formal written request

Caliguy,

Good catch. But please note that this requirement is not contained in the Penal Code. It's in the California Code of Regulations.

[LEAD LAUNCHER]

This FFL sounds like an a hole of the highest order. I will make sure to never do business there.

[Barang]

way to attract new customers.

[alwaysbest]

Every time a FFL says “I won’t do off roster PPT” there is a gun-fairy somewhere that falls down dead.

[DrewN]

I mean, the ffl does have a point. He's wrong, but he's not wrong. Plenty of exempt individuals are making a profit from the stupid roster. And 99% of them aren't just selling "a gun I have no use for anymore". Just look at the marketplace. Who buys multiple $1K off roster pistols,never takes them out of the box and then flips them right away? The whole thing is stupid,but I understand why he feels hard done by. These guys are basically making a mockery of the whole licensing procedure. It's like unlicensed contractors undercutting folks who actually pay insurance,taxes,are bond able etc.

[SkyHawk]

I mean, the ffl does have a point. He's wrong, but he's not wrong. Plenty of exempt individuals are making a profit from the stupid roster. And 99% of them aren't just selling "a gun I have no use for anymore". Just look at the marketplace. Who buys multiple $1K off roster pistols,never takes them out of the box and then flips them right away? The whole thing is stupid,but I understand why he feels hard done by. These guys are basically making a mockery of the whole licensing procedure. It's like unlicensed contractors undercutting folks who actually pay insurance,taxes,are bond able etc.

The FFL has no idea if the seller was making a profit or not and it is none of his business. And I have bought plenty of off roster handguns from LEO I never met before the sale, who sold them for what they paid for them or less. Not every LE is out to make a buck, some just want to clear a gun out to make room for another one.

The real problem is... wait for it .... the STUPID ROSTER