Guy didn't like having an empty gun

[EvoXguy]

Never played Resident Evil 2 OP?

[FalconLair]

I'm not aware of any factory single action guns that do not have a safety, other then single action revolvers.

What firearm are you using?

im not talking about any SAO firearms - i meant a firearm in SA mode after it has discharged a round - the 2nd and succeeding shots

sorry if i didn't make myself very clear on that

if you fire 9 rounds out of a 10 round magazine you would have a firearm in SA condition 0 - round in chamber, hammer back, no safety

btw, user, my carry guns are the DAO FNS9c and a DA/SA Beretta Px4 that i removed the safety feature from it's decock only - both will discharge w/o a magazine inserted only difference would be the pull weight on the FN, it's always a DA pull

[ja308]

This is called a "Tactical Reload", which means reloading during a lull in a fight, preferably when you have cover. You use that time to top off your weapon and be able to avoid an "Emergency Reload" when you go to slide lock.

Anytime you can reload without absolutely needing to is good for your long term survivability.

Thats the way I remember it taught and also some great movie directors will sometime use that technique to add an element of character development.

Its nothing Ive ever practiced. Nor do I see the value of practicing it.

IIRC the murderous puke who shot those disarmed victims on a train (NYC) was rushed when his gun went to slide lock. Some gun culture folks were pleased he didn't know of a tactical reload.

[trackcage]

Thats the way I remember it taught and also some great movie directors will sometime use that technique to add an element of character development.

Its nothing Ive ever practiced. Nor do I see the value of practicing it.

IIRC the murderous puke who shot those disarmed victims on a train (NYC) was rushed when his gun went to slide lock. Some gun culture folks were pleased he didn't know of a tactical reload.

So you don't practice the technique on principle that you don't want bad guys to know about it? Interesting

[theLBC]

tactical for sure, and smart in certain situations...

this is why i am not inclined to buy a mag fed shotgun for SD.
i want to be able to top it off constantly if there is time, keeping a round ready in case of any surprises.

[unusedusername]

im not talking about any SAO firearms - i meant a firearm in SA mode after it has discharged a round - the 2nd and succeeding shots

sorry if i didn't make myself very clear on that

if you fire 9 rounds out of a 10 round magazine you would have a firearm in SA condition 0 - round in chamber, hammer back, no safety

btw, user, my carry guns are the DAO FNS9c and a DA/SA Beretta Px4 that i removed the safety feature from it's decock only - both will discharge w/o a magazine inserted only difference would be the pull weight on the FN, it's always a DA pull

You should use the decocker on a double action single action firearm like a Sig or a Beretta before ejecting the magazine. That will make the trigger pull heavier in case you accidentally touch it.

The main safety is your brain. Keep your finger off the trigger.

I stand by my recommendation that you should find a local instructor to show you the technique.

[FalconLair]

You should use the decocker on a double action single action firearm like a Sig or a Beretta before ejecting the magazine. That will make the trigger pull heavier in case you accidentally touch it.

The main safety is your brain. Keep your finger off the trigger.

I stand by my recommendation that you should find a local instructor to show you the technique.

im not beyond giving it a try - maybe this old dog can learn a thing or three

[aca72]

"Silly" ~Yankee Marshal

what do some of you guys think?

Fast forward to 0:32...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6cojXF-AI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6cojXF-AI

[ja308]

So you don't practice the technique on principle that you don't want bad guys to know about it? Interesting

LOL
Its just that I do not count rounds or do tactical reloads. 75%of my range time is practicing hold and dry fire drills.
The other 25% is divided between live fire and socializing with other shooters !

I do recall some course years back that taught the concept. "never shoot to slide lock "

Based on your relevant comment its possible I will practice this drill when on a private range that features steel targets.

A shot timer will be helpful to see how much time is saved with a mandatory mag change.

Thanx for the insight !

[hermosabeach]

Let’s say you have 3 people who need to get shot

Shooting at say a rate of 5-6 per second-
Each person gets a first course
Then seconds

Maybe one is further away with a knife so they might be 3rd in line for 1st servings

You need an appropriate sight picture for conditions
Transition from holster to target 1 for 1 round
then threat 2 for one round
then threat 3- standard meal for the last diner- 2-5 round
Then back to the next most immediate threat then the last threat

At some point you need to reload


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Range games
Load 9 rounds
Shoot 4 pairs
Reload as you still have the last round in the chamber.



Then

[Packy14]

Your finger should be indexed along the slide, and you need to have the safety engaged or the double-action gun de-cocked before messing with the magazine.

So no one with glocks or other striker fire guns should ever attempt such a dangerous maneuver? ��


I think maybe just you and other incompetents shouldn't. Let's leave it at that.

[boopiejones]

I’m not sure how counting your rounds and leaving one in the chamber helps you in a gun fight. Either you needed to shoot that last round because there is still a threat, or you didn’t need to shoot because the threat is gone. If you needed to shoot but instead decide to stop and reload because you hit your “round count”, you’re dead. Better to shoot dry in that situation and then reload when absolutely necessary.

if you are in a gunfight and have a lull in the action, Then you perform a tactical reload and retain the partial mag for later. But counting your rounds and always keeping one in the chamber is unrealistic/unwise in a gun fight.

[theLBC]

I’m not sure how counting your rounds and leaving one in the chamber helps you in a gun fight. Either you needed to shoot that last round because there is still a threat, or you didn’t need to shoot because the threat is gone. If you needed to shoot but instead decide to stop and reload because you hit your “round count”, you’re dead. Better to shoot dry in that situation and then reload when absolutely necessary.

if you are in a gunfight and have a lull in the action, Then you perform a tactical reload and retain the partial mag for later. But counting your rounds and always keeping one in the chamber is unrealistic/unwise in a gun fight.

these are extreme situations.

lets say you are clearing a large building with many rooms.
you enter one room, engage in a firefight and shoot several bad guys, leaving at least one round in your 15 round clip and one in the chamber.

do you continue into the next room, and another possible firefight, with one round in your magazine, or do you drop the mag and put in a freshie before you proceed?

[2Aon2wheels]

I thought this was gonna be about keeping a mag loaded next to oneself while shooting, just in case.

[boopiejones]

these are extreme situations.

lets say you are clearing a large building with many rooms.
you enter one room, engage in a firefight and shoot several bad guys, leaving at least one round in your 15 round clip and one in the chamber.

do you continue into the next room, and another possible firefight, with one round in your magazine, or do you drop the mag and put in a freshie before you proceed?

In that scenario, you absolutely reload and retain the partial mag for later before moving on to the next room.

But say you bust into that first room with a 15 round mag plus one in the chamber. You get into a firefight with multiple bad guys and are counting your rounds. You are shooting at multiple threats and get up to the count of 15, but there is still a threat in the room. Do you a) fire round 16 in an attempt to neutralize that threat and then reload or b) stop at 15, leaving one in the chamber and then reload and neutralize the threat? Assuming there is a real threat in the room, the only logical answer is “a.” If you can use cover to give you time, then absolutely go ahead and reload.

A more likely scenario for a civilian is like the video in post 23 above. You get into a gun fight and empty your mag into the bad guy. There are not multiple targets and there is certainly no time or reason to be doing a tactical reload.