Failure to prosecute ?

[OlderThanDirt]

I'm all good with diverting some of the food stamps and welfare funds to go after the low-hanging-fruit criminals.
We also need to re-vamp the prison systems to make them self sustaining.
Each prisoner should be paying for the costs the prisons are incurring to keep the prisoners locked up.
Figure out a way to sell prisoner labor to private industry and let the prisons become self sufficient.

Chain gangs and eliminate Caltrans.

[FalconLair]

They do actually mention that Sessions ordered more prosecutions, and link to Becerra's "I can't, I'm too poor" excuse. It's reasonably balanced. And the fact is that Trump could probably ensure that more such cases were prosecuted, provided he was willing to put less effort and influence into something else. You can't not expect to take a share of the blame for all kinds of random stuff as president.

yet, he doesn't bat an eye using millions of dollars in taxpayer money to defend illegal aliens from deportation - California alone is making Eric Holder and his law firm very wealthy

[ar15barrels]

Chain gangs and eliminate Caltrans.

I'm good with that too.
No reason we can't have large commercial farms worked by inmate labor too.

[ar15barrels]

"Hi, I'm Melvin in San Quentin. What's your SS# and Credit Card info?"

There is TONS of customer service phone support jobs that do not require sensitive personal information to be given out.

[big red]

The state of california should be required to enforce it's laws on the books without exception and with no tax increases. They passed feel good laws that will bankrupt this state even if we can get the money spent where it was originally intended to go. Make the other side follow the law and it will break them.

[HAVOC5150]

You’d be surprised or maybe not how may laws the Solano DA’s office doesn’t prosecute. I have a relative who is sczophrenic and lived with my mother who is in her late 60’s and my grandfather who is 97. He went off one day and beat my mother and my grandfather up, broke my moms hand black eye, grandpa had a black eye, spent the night in the ER. I called Vallejo PD and told them they better beat me to their house. DA’s office did little to nothing to that POS. He was out of jail within two months. They said due to his mental health condition, they couldn’t really do anything to him.

[Dirk Tungsten]

I generally agree with you, but this is a horrific idea. There never should be a positive incentive to increase prison populations. The end.

100% Agreed. Remember the case from a few years ago (back east maybe?) where some judge was steering youths into for-profit youth prisons due to a conflict of interest? We don't need any more of that thanks.

[ja308]

100% Agreed. Remember the case from a few years ago (back east maybe?) where some judge was steering youths into for-profit youth prisons due to a conflict of interest? We don't need any more of that thanks.

IIRC that was a popular novel/ movie !
Of course if you provide a link I will acknowledge my error!��

[ChuckDizzle]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

Sorry for ruining your Friday, Ja308. Behold, the most depressing thing to ever happen in a depressing rust belt town.

[tipoc]

If companies can build a script/software package that lets people in India act as customer support call center employees, there's no reason those same scripts/programs could not be used by prisoners in a call center inside a prison.
Bring the jobs back into the USA...

They did this decades back. I recall in the 80's and 90's prison labor was used for this. It has increased during the internet age. It became a scandal on several levels. The main one being convicts access to private information. Others were how much the call center operators were making while the actual labor, the prisoners, got pennies. Kick backs to the prison system by the call center owners in exchange for access to the prisons, etc.

It also ran into opposition from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4505278

Companies that use or have recently used, prison labor. (a political slant but they list them.)

https://www.ranker.com/list/companies-in-the-united-states-that-use-prison-labor/genevieve-carlton

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[tipoc]

The main topic of this thread though is that few are actually prosecuted for filling out the forms incorrectly or lying on them.

The states and the Feds figure that it's a lot of people that did not get guns that should not have had them. They also figure that it would be a lose/lose to spend additional millions to track down and prosecute each individual who was denied.

Some states like Ca. don't enforce some laws on the books for years and when they do do it erratically. They also pass new laws making it harder to get guns knowing that most people will abide by the law even if they don't like it.

It's a true thing that most gun laws are not enforced evenhandedly. They are generally used mostly against the working class and poor. They will be piled on to charges like a Dagwood sandwich to get a conviction or to get an innocent person to confess to a lesser charge.

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[ja308]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

Sorry for ruining your Friday, Ja308. Behold, the most depressing thing to ever happen in a depressing rust belt town.

Thanx for the clarification Brother😀

[CinnamonBear723]

Maybe I can offer some insight into this. At my agency, I get assigned 100% of these cases. Trust me when I tell you that some of these people are pretty bad dudes and have no business buying or possessing a firearm. People with multiple domestic violence arrests, felony weapons charges, stalkers, and drug dealers. I like investigating these cases and arresting these people. They all mostly belong in jail anyway.

That being said, I am extreme judicious with which ones I decide to go forward with. Sometimes its a simple mistake, and sometimes it there just needs to be a simple conversation between me and them where I educate them a little bit on the matter.

Of the ones I do arrest and request filing on, I have about a 75% success rate in court. Rest assure these people didn't just make a simple mistake. They intentionally lied on an official document in order to illegal obtain a firearm.

[divert_fuse]

Maybe I can offer some insight into this. At my agency, I get assigned 100% of these cases.

Do you have any insight into the question of to what extent lie-and-try actually results in people obtaining firearms? Like, do they ever?

[CinnamonBear723]

In CA none. The dealer receives a DROS denial and would be way outside the lines of the law if they allowed the purchaser to come take possession of it. Of all the cases I have investigated, the dealer refunds the money and charges a restocking fee. They then put it back up for sale.

I cannot say the same for other states as I am not as familiar with the process. Also some states don't have a wait period.