Poll: 2nd Amendment Supporter, But...

[FresnoRob]

That's the silly and low-thought "slippery slope" argument.. typically used when there's no real retort to the original premise

True, but that's not how it works and you know it.. unless you think that every violent felon that gets out of prison is magically reformed. So a guy shoots your wife during a robbery, but she doesn't die. And he gets 8 years in prison for it.. you would be good with him getting out with full 2A rights if he does it again and gets 10 years this time then what? He still gets full rights? Or will your answer be some fantasy where he gets life with no parole, which we both know wont happen?

So we can agree to disagree.. you are ok with violent felons and the mentally unstable with having full gun rights.. Some guy wanting around yelling at people and screaming insanity can go buy a gun..

In a perfect world all murderers would be executed and violent felons would get life.. that's not going to happen though.

No as you say in your last sentence he should get life without parole. We do not reform the violent in prison. Maybe someone will magically come up with a way to do so. But all we do now is keep them off the streets. Until we figure out how to reform them they should stay there. You like to say in a perfect world. In a perfect world we wouldn’t be asking this question in a poll.

[Steve1968LS2]

That's great.. when we achieve your utopia where the violent felons stay in prison then I will change my mind.

For now I deal with reality and reality is that the scum gets out, way too soon, so I will keep my current point of view

Thanks for agreeing with me that the world isn't perfect.. appreciated.

[Erion929]

No as you say in your last sentence he should get life without parole. We do not reform the violent in prison. Maybe someone will magically come up with a way to do so. But all we do now is keep them off the streets. Until we figure out how to reform them they should stay there. You like to say in a perfect world. In a perfect world we wouldn’t be asking this question in a poll.

Yeah, but most DO NOT get life without parole.....so they get out. Then you say “We do not reform the violent in prison.” So the violent get out ....and immediately get full restoration of gun rights?


So here’s an example from today’s news. Joseph Lewis, currently-suspended USC wide receiver, just did his plea bargain of 21 DAYS in jail for domestic violence with injuries, and was released.

— As part of the deal, Lewis was sentenced to 36 months summary probation; 60 days in county jail; a 10-year ban on owning, using or possessing firearms; enrollment in a weekly yearlong domestic violence treatment program and a protective order that prohibits him from approaching within 100 yards of the victim or contacting her according to the Times.

He should be restored all gun rights right now, since he did his 21 days of jail?

The VICTIM would only be entitled to get 21 days of stress-free life back?

Sure, Lewis can get a gun in illegal ways....if he wants to chance jail again....but shouldn’t the odds be tipped in the victim’s favor a little?

Why would we reward getting out of jail?

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As part of the deal, Lewis was sentenced to 36 months summary probation; 60 days in county jail; a 10-year ban on owning, using or possessing firearms; enrollment in a weekly yearlong domestic violence treatment program and a protective order that prohibits him from approaching within 100 yards of the victim or contacting her according to the Times.

Did he shoot a gun in this domestic violence? Is the gun restriction because of the 100 yard restriction and guns shoot further than 100 yards? If he got a gun ignoring the 10 year restriction, could he ignore the 100 yard restriction and use something else?

If you're going to punish them for 10 years why put them in jail? Are you saying he should have gotten 10 years in jail?

[FresnoRob]

That's great.. when we achieve your utopia where the violent felons stay in prison then I will change my mind.

For now I deal with reality and reality is that the scum gets out, way too soon, so I will keep my current point of view

Thanks for agreeing with me that the world isn't perfect.. appreciated.

As part of the deal, Lewis was sentenced to 36 months summary probation; 60 days in county jail; a 10-year ban on owning, using or possessing firearms; enrollment in a weekly yearlong domestic violence treatment program and a protective order that prohibits him from approaching within 100 yards of the victim or contacting her according to the Times.

So basically what you are saying is because our justice system is broken you are willing to have the 2nd amendment infringement. What other rights are you willing to give up or have watered down because of government incompetence?

[njineermike]

Then we should have no laws since all laws COULD lead to more laws.. lol

It's weak argument.. sorry

It's not a fault of the sensible law that the people allow the govt to over reach with stupid laws.

So, I will put you in the "I'm ok with allowing convicted violent felons and the insane to buy guns" catagory

And? I thought I'd made that abundantly clear, and I don't consider that any sort of insult.

[Deedle]

I wishes were fishes we would have seafood every night.. you can live in a fantasy world if you like where all crap bag criminals get life without parole (or death) but in the real world it doesn't work like that.

In the real world this poll means diddly sh*t. This is about what should be, not what can be done next week. Or do you really think the PTB will look at this poll and implement the desires of CalGUNs posters forthwith?

Really?

[Deedle]

So basically what you are saying is because our justice system is broken you are willing to have the 2nd amendment infringement. What other rights are you willing to give up or have watered down because of government incompetence?

What he said.

Trying to fix thing 1 by also breaking thing 2 is just dumb.