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  • RandyD
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2009
    • 6673

    Gun control argument with liberal in laws

    My family was invited by my mother and father in law for a dinner on Saturday night, and my father in law has a daughter who is a high school teacher in Orange County, CA. (This teacher is ultra liberal) I asked her if any of her students missed school due to the protests. She told me that a student at her school had attended the high school in Parkland Florida where the shooting occurred. Its amazing how liberals have to show their connection to a tragedy. I assume it is because they have such low self esteem, that they need some type of attention.

    She then started talking about her duties as a teacher in the event of a school shooting. Her duties have her locking doors leading to a school hallway, and they have 3-4 drills per school year. To hear her talk of her duties, you would be lead to believe every drill she participated in was an active shooting incident. She went on to describe the horror of possibly having to lock a student out. I then interjected and said, “It all depends on where the shooter is located. If he is outside, then locking the doors may be an effective counter measure, but if he is already inside the school, you are preventing students from escaping.” She then had a deer in the headlight look. She had never given that scenario any thought.

    She then transitioned the discussion to her objection to arming teachers, and then a brother in law interjected, and said “Teachers have too much to do, and they should not be required to be armed.” (This brother in law was not raised in the US, and he is a liberal beta male) I spoke up and said, “I have never heard of any plan that requires teachers to be armed. I have heard of plans where a teacher can voluntarily participate in being armed. I don’t believe arming every teacher is a good idea, such a plan should be limited to those who want to be armed and who will participate in training and meet certain standards before being armed. There are veterans and others who already possess the basic firearm skills needed to begin implementing the plan."

    The brother in law then gets animated and raised his voice and said, “Americans think they have a right to own guns.” I responded by saying, “You are correct, we do have a right to own firearms.” He then said, “Guns should be regulated and the Second Amendment only applies to a militia.” I told him, if guns should be regulated, how to you explain the number of people shot in Chicago, where guns are practically banned.” He said, “Because they are Americans.” (BTW, this brother in law hates America, but he elects to live here.) I also explained that the term militia at the time the constitution was written meant able bodied men capable of providing a defense, and that the U.S. Supreme Court had already dispensed with that liberal talking point by declaring the Second Amendment to be an individual right.

    The brother in law then tried to say that every country that has gun control has a lower death rate than the United States. I asked him to explain how Mexico, where guns have been banned for decades has two to three times the murders than the United States. At this point he short circuited, and began making contorted facial gestures and waving his hands wildly. I asked him, “Why are you being so dismissive?” He then exclaimed, “Everyone knows citizens should not have guns.” This is where I went in for the kill, this brother in law is half German and half Japanese, and I said, “Hitler disarmed Germany and look what that created, and Japan committed genocide in Nanking, China, and don’t over look that the citizens in the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, Vietnam, Armenia and Rwanda were also disarmed and then murdered.
    Last edited by RandyD; 04-02-2018, 1:08 PM.
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    etwinam
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2016
    • 3223

    Ya I had a buddy who is not necessarily liberal get in to a conversation with me this weekend as well. He was just not understanding why people need an assault weapon. I casually explained that AR15s are not assault weapons and that we really shouldn't have to explain why we want or need one. I tried going over data with him on mortality rates and tried rationalizing the millions of guns already in the United States. It pretty much fell on deaf ears.

    I used to try and change people's minds, I used to try and reason with others giving data and FBI stats. I have learned it's all waste. The people that don't believe in guns have a reason deep inside themselves that you cannot overcome with logic or data. They have a fear or misunderstanding of the dangers of guns in general and no amount of logic or facts will change that. Sadly they are brainwashed by the media and coupled with some innate inner fear that is ingrained in them.

    I focus on preservation of my own rights now and don't even bother to worry about converting other people anymore. Like I said it's impossible.

    "Don't try to argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
    Last edited by etwinam; 04-02-2018, 1:35 PM.
    God, Guns & Integrity. Prioritize your Priorities.

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    • #3
      Simi762
      Member
      • May 2013
      • 368

      Arguing with immature or ignorant people is a waste of time

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      • #4
        RandyD
        Calguns Addict
        • Jan 2009
        • 6673

        The teacher, even though she is liberal, she will listen and I started my conversation with her because she will listen. On the downside, her emotions override her judgment, but she is not hopelessly forever an antigun person. Also, there were 7 nieces who were at the table and they were my intended audience. One of the nieces attending is 22 years old, and her father raised her to be a communist (He is a UCSD professor), she and I had a discussion about 4 years ago on the topic of welfare entitlements. That discussion resulted in her leaving a dinner table crying over not being able to factually debate the issue. She is now coming around and allowing logic not emotions to control her, and I enjoy a good relationship with her.
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        • #5
          k1dude
          I need a LIFE!!
          • May 2009
          • 14745

          It nonetheless needs to be said. It won't change their minds, but they need to hear it. We've become far too accommodating by not arguing. They need push back or they begin to believe the whole world thinks the way they do.

          Everyone thinks my wife is a big lefty for some reason. She's not. People also respect every word that comes out of her mouth. So when lefties ask her opinion, she tells them in as few words as possible. They're typcially so shocked, but respect her so much, that no one fights with her. You can see in their eyes that their heads are spinning and they need to re-think their position if someone like my wife believes what she does.

          It's extremely important for us to speak up. We've been losing badly by staying quiet.
          Last edited by k1dude; 04-02-2018, 4:42 PM.
          "Show me a young conservative and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you a man without a brain." - Sir Winston Churchill

          "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Senator Barry Goldwater

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          • #6
            1911R SSS
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2013
            • 862

            You cannot talk sense into senseless people! It will never happen.

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            • #7
              ojisan
              Agent 86
              CGN Contributor
              • Apr 2008
              • 11762

              Treat them politely.
              Teach them if you can.
              Remind them who's house they will run to if SHTF.
              -----------------
              Northridge earthquake:
              My older son's best friend was staying overnight.
              The earthquake hit my area hard and it was two days before the friend's parents came by to pick up their son.
              The parents are kinda anti-gun.
              I try to avoid the topic around them, they know I am a gun guy.
              A month later I was surprised to hear the father say: "Well, of course we were worried about our son because of the crazy stuff that might happen in the days following a big quake. But we knew you had guns and would keep him safe".
              So there you have it.

              Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
              I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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              • #8
                Jimmy's
                Veteran Member
                • May 2016
                • 2600

                I disowned any of my liberal inlaws, family members. Screwem!

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                • #9
                  Barang
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Aug 2013
                  • 12321

                  I hope the brother in law didn't go ballistic after you went in for the kill.

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                  • #10
                    RandyD
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 6673

                    Originally posted by k1dude
                    It nonetheless needs to be said. It won't change their minds, but they need to hear it. We've become far too accommodating by not arguing. They need push back or they begin to believe the whole world thinks the way they do.

                    It's extremely important for us to speak up. We've been losing badly by staying quiet.
                    Your points above are directly on point. The patience, tolerance and lack of going on the offense has only resulted in an infringement of our rights.
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                    • #11
                      RandyD
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 6673

                      Originally posted by ojisan
                      Remind them who's house they will run to if SHTF.
                      When obama was getting ready to be inaugurated, there was a lot of talk about society going berzerk. The 22 year old niece and her mother came to our house and asked if they could come to our house in the event of a societal breakdown.
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                      • #12
                        MrFancyPants
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2017
                        • 1160

                        Originally posted by RandyD
                        When obama was getting ready to be inaugurated, there was a lot of talk about society going berzerk. The 22 year old niece and her mother came to our house and asked if they could come to our house in the event of a societal breakdown.
                        Oh right, so they can spend their life not preparing and going on about their liberal ways, choosing not to be armed, but then when **** gets real they should be able to crawl over to you and benefit from your preparedness and suck up your resources? I truly hope you have more backbone than that.

                        I used to work with a guy who said something similar because I used to talk about my guns at work, he said well I know where I'm going if the apocalypse happens. I'm thinking yeah right, you come knocking on my door in that scenario you'll be looking down the business end of a barrel and told in no small terms to GTFO.

                        People want to have their cake and eat it too. Screw that.

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                        • #13
                          tomrkba
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2016
                          • 1513

                          <Libtard family member rants about guns.>

                          I let them go on and on and ask basic questions, most of which do not get answered. I let them run down and say:

                          “Americans are keeping their guns. SCOTUS ruled on it and they are not going anywhere. Even if your gun control fantasy comes true, we are not giving up our guns...one way or another.”

                          This usually starts another tirade about the US military. I often ask, after they wind down a bit: “Will the enlisted frag their officers for issuing such orders?” The answer is usually rather funny and reveals they know nothing about military culture.
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                          • #14
                            tomrkba
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2016
                            • 1513

                            Another thing: many libtards believe many crimes are committed by concealed carry permit holders.

                            I found this rather shocking but had a prepared response.
                            Biden's
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                            Read the Kelly Turnbull novels to see where California is and will go: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=kelly+tur..._2_15_ts-doa-p

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                            • #15
                              hunterb
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 3795

                              Libtards are experts on everything they know nothing about.
                              I mean forget science, there are 30 different genders!!

                              It is impossible to argue with morons who do not accept established fact and believe in nonsense.
                              Originally posted by johnthomas
                              ...The hardest part getting rid of crap is getting started.

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