FFL's that overcharge transfer fees

[SDR]

Having never bought a gun while I was in California, how much paperwork can there be? Even if it took a full hour to do, 35 bucks seems like more than enough.

[Gryff]

Last year I sold a colt .45 to a fellow calgunner, the PPT was done at
Battlefield Adventures in Ventura. After we completed the paperwork and I received the funds from the buyer, the owner of the shop asked the buyer to pay a $65.00 DROS fee. I interjected and informed him he could not charge more than $35.00, per state law. He explained that his overhead had gone up and he could charge this exorbitant amount. I didn't want to argue or debate the issue, the buyer paid the fees and we left.
What recourse do we have to prevent this fee gouging? Does reporting him to the DOJ really get results?

Always try to hold off on paying the fee until the paperwork is completed. It's my understanding that once the FFL has reached a certain point in DROS, they're on the hook for the $25 to the state whether you complete the DROS or not. If I had an FFL being a cock bag like that, I would wait until the end and then tell them that your refuse to complete the DROS. If they want to play money games, then play money games right back.

[edgerly779]

Dros is paid after paperwork in most ffls good idea to tell them to shove it if overcharging. Might be defrauding thogh. Let our residents ac's like Librarian and Quiet ring in on this.

[Gryff]

Dealer only gets $10 of the $35. The other $25 gets sent to the state. The $10 doesn’t cut it for many dealers who either 1) overcharge or 2) deny ppts.

But there are good dealers out there that do treat ppts as normal sales even though they don’t make nearly the same amount for the time they put in.

A lot of FFLs forget that DROS is not a retail process, but a regulatory cost of doing business. If they don't like the fact that they are limited to a $10 max fee, then go buy a Starbucks franchise and get out of the way of the FFLs that understand their mandated role in the state.

Might be defrauding thogh.

And you can argue that cooperating is committing collusion in the FFL's breaking of the law. You cannot be obligated to assist in committing an illegal act.

[Flintlock Tom]

Just for kicks,

Take them to small claims court. Fill out the papers and serve the bastard to show up in court.

A couple of these and they will get their act straightened out.

I vote for this.
It's a small fee to file and when the FFL loses he must pay all your fees as well.
The law is clear; take them to court!
I would be really surprised if a dealer would want to go through this more than once.

[edgerly779]

If a business owner values their reputation and time they will make things right and defuse the situation. If they have the sense god gave a church mouse.(LOL). I have been in business since 1974 and have never been sued for my business practices or issues under my control.

[code_blue]

I just purchased 3 long guns from 2 seller and did the transfer at Knights Tactical in Camarillo. I had the sellers meet at the same time hoping to pay one DROS I was told I had to do 2 because of the 2 different seller. At the end I was charged $105. I said "I thought I could buy 2 guns from the same person on one DROS", the owner responded "it's a lot of paper work".

Wow, those FFL's screwed you both. You were supposed to have been charged one $25 background fee and $10 (max) per firearm. The firearms could've also been listed on the same 4473. More paperwork they created for themselves.

Dirtbags for sure.


Just remember, folks. The FFL's are under no obligation to perform PPT's unless you do your part in accordance with the laws.

Some FFL's will also have individual stipulations on original documents such as "wet ink" FSC's and registrations. Some people think that bringing in copies will work, but many FFL's will not accept that since they are signing their names on the documents.

The FFL's definitely should not be asshats, but you should also not expect the FFL's to bypass their policies for you.

[Dano3467]

If the Government does kill this sport, many FFL's will finish it with this behavior in CA IMO.

Is it possible to make a sticky for these perpetrators, so we as firearm enthusiasts can conduct business with out the rape factor ?

[bajadan]

Having never bought a gun while I was in California, how much paperwork can there be? Even if it took a full hour to do, 35 bucks seems like more than enough.

Not much, Riflegear associates take between 7-10mins.

[treborscott]

So just meet at the 7-11 if you don't like the fees. I know where I live and business costs $ so suck it up cheapskates it's the cost of do ing business in California.

[BigPimping]

Drop a dime on that weasel.

[ten888]

[yzErnie]

Dan, Several dealers in the state have been reported to the CaDoJ for this very same thing. Although they are doing something they shouldn't be doing it doesn't seem like it is a real big concern for CaDoJ to investigate or take any action against the dealer(s). Frustrating for sure and IMO all of the dealers doing this need to be outed.

[Rorge Retson]

Jezz, come on peeps. Call the place beforehand to see what their fees are. How hard is that?

[fcolmencod]

So who do we report over charge violations to.....CA DOJ?