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  • #16
    Cali74
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    • Apr 2012
    • 266

    Ban:
    NOUN:
    an official or legal prohibition:

    So CA has effectively "banned" all ammunition sales that do not go through a permitted FFL for CA residents.

    People once said there was no way CA would be able to implement the handgun roster.
    Fast forward to today its a painful reality.
    Same was said for the AW registration, 10rd mags, etc...

    Chipping away at your liberties and dividing lines within user groups are well known strategies to achieve the same results as a ban.
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    • #17
      creampuff
      • Jan 2006
      • 3730

      Originally posted by Eureka1911
      As far as I know California has not banned any ammo. They have changed the rules on buying ammo, but they did not actually ban anything, just made it harder and more burdensome to acquire. Which sucks totally sucks.
      Try to buy a box of ammo in a store in CA on January 2nd.

      Since the stores in CA have not been given any direction, you are going to have a tough time buying ammo in January 2018. It will essentially be a ban, until the stores have more direction from the DOJ.

      //edit//
      whoops sorry thought the confusion was for all store fronts. Didn't realize it will be the nonFFL vendors that won't be able to sell for a "few days" starting 2018.
      Last edited by Creampuff; 12-31-2017, 8:23 PM.

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      • #18
        Mayor McRifle
        Calguns Addict
        • Dec 2013
        • 7667

        Originally posted by Bt Doctur
        You are under no obligation to consent to any type of search, make them get the warrant
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        • #19
          musick
          CGSSA Associate
          • Sep 2012
          • 1062

          Originally posted by mshill
          Wrong, first offense is an infraction, second offense is an infraction or a misdemeanor. No one will be checking at the border. The CHP will ignore Wintemutes minions phone calls about ammo purchases in Nevada and Arizona.
          Just playing devils advocate here.

          If you were caught importing a case of ammo you could be facing a charge for every 50 rounds you bring in above the allowed 50. A very aggressive prosecutor could potentially charge you with 19 offenses.

          Not worth the risk for me.

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          • #20
            roundabout
            Junior Member
            • Jan 2016
            • 57

            Originally posted by russ69
            Still not banned.
            For hunting, the incremental no-lead ban is in progress. Total non-lead hunting in California by July 1, 2019.

            How is this FUD?

            From the DFW website:

            The Department of Fish and Wildlife manages California's diverse fish, wildlife, and plant resources, and the habitats upon which they depend, for their ecological values and for their use and enjoyment by the public.


            "When does the nonlead ammunition regulation take effect?


            The regulation phases-in the requirement to use certified nonlead ammunition depending on where and what you are hunting. The first phase begins July 1, 2015, and requires use of nonlead ammunition when hunting on all CDFW properties and for all 2015 bighorn sheep hunts. Effective July 1, 2016, hunters using shotguns will be required to use certified nonlead ammunition to take upland game species (except for dove, quail, snipe, and any species taken on licensed game bird clubs), fur-bearing and nongame species, and any species taken under the authority of a depredation permit. Shotgun ammunition containing pellets composed of materials approved as nontoxic by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, as identified in Title 14 Section 507.1, is considered certified. Effective July 1, 2019, the use of certified nonlead ammunition will be required statewide when taking any wildlife. The new regulation does not modify the existing requirements to use certified nonlead ammunition when taking big game and nongame within the California condor range."

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            • #21
              i like boys a lot
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2017
              • 63

              Originally posted by musick
              Just playing devils advocate here.

              If you were caught importing a case of ammo you could be facing a charge for every 50 rounds you bring in above the allowed 50. A very aggressive prosecutor could potentially charge you with 19 offenses.

              Not worth the risk for me.
              So your saying cops will pull you over with no proabable cause, qft.
              Last edited by i like boys a lot; 12-31-2017, 5:21 PM.

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              • #22
                Eureka1911
                Member
                • Dec 2017
                • 367

                Originally posted by roundabout
                I guess you don't hunt in this state and all your ammo has lead in it.
                I was talking specifically about the new laws that go into effect tomorrow. Those new laws do not ban any ammo. They just make it a huge PITA for us to buy in general and on line especially.

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                • #23
                  heidad01
                  Veteran Member
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 4902

                  Cops can pull you over if it pleases them. They can make up the probable cause as they go. Later on, you may be able to prove something in a court or, they may not be able to prove what they said/did. Regardless, your day is ruined and you are out of money for the lawyer.

                  Highly doubtful that any one be pulled over for ammo check. But If they have other reasons to pull you over and ended up searching your car, they will write you up for the ammo since that is the new fad.

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                  • #24
                    Eureka1911
                    Member
                    • Dec 2017
                    • 367

                    Originally posted by creampuff
                    Try to buy a box of ammo in a store in CA on January 2nd.

                    Since the stores in CA have not been given any direction, you are going to have a tough time buying ammo in January 2018. It will essentially be a ban, until the stores have more direction from the DOJ.
                    The law specifically states that any FFL is good to go. Non-FFL who have applied for a vendor's license is SOL until the CADOJ gets their $#!t together.

                    I don't need any ammo since I stocked up, but for grins I'll stop in at my local Sportsman's Warehouse on Tuesday to see what the situation is.

                    But back on point, the law itself is not a ban and it is incorrect to imply that it is. Will there be some people who cannot sell until DOJ gets their heads out of their...? Sure, but that is still not a ban.

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                    • #25
                      BCA142
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                      • Jan 2013
                      • 752

                      And as usual, LEO is exempt from the online purchasing restrictions. Gotta keep them happy so they support these corrupt politician's.
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                      • #26
                        Eureka1911
                        Member
                        • Dec 2017
                        • 367

                        Got curious. Ran down to Sportsman's Warehouse. All ammo is in locked cases. Asked their department manager if they will be selling ammo tomorrow. He said absolutely, just has to be locked up now. Here is a photo of the cases and a new sign.

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                        Last edited by Eureka1911; 12-31-2017, 4:15 PM.

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                        • #27
                          TRICKSTER
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                          • Mar 2008
                          • 12438

                          Where do people come up with this garbage? Try reading the law instead of spreading FUD.

                          Originally posted by .40Cal
                          2 problems with that -
                          First, you still risk being checked at the border anyway; and if caught, face a felony.
                          Secondly, if you're going to pay uber 2-ways, you might as well pay the higher price at a local gun shop and buy the ammo in CA.

                          The whole idea why people buy online or from other states is to get a cheaper deal - with that many hoops, it's not cheap anymore.
                          Originally posted by musick
                          Just playing devils advocate here.

                          If you were caught importing a case of ammo you could be facing a charge for every 50 rounds you bring in above the allowed 50. A very aggressive prosecutor could potentially charge you with 19 offenses.

                          Not worth the risk for me.


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                          • #28
                            Jimmy's
                            Veteran Member
                            • May 2016
                            • 2600

                            Originally posted by Eureka1911
                            As far as I know California has not banned any ammo. They have changed the rules on buying ammo, but they did not actually ban anything, just made it harder and more burdensome to acquire. Which sucks totally sucks.
                            For now anyway, give them some time.

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                            • #29
                              CSACANNONEER
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                              • Dec 2006
                              • 44093

                              Originally posted by musick
                              Just playing devils advocate here.

                              If you were caught importing a case of ammo you could be facing a charge for every 50 rounds you bring in above the allowed 50. A very aggressive prosecutor could potentially charge you with 19 offenses.

                              Not worth the risk for me.
                              WTF are you talking about? There is NOTHING in the law stating that you can bring in ANY amount of ammo and, there is NOTHING in the law stating that there is a separate charge for each round, each box or each case. Please stop spreading FUD and learn the laws yourself instead of trying to miseducate people.
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                              • #30
                                TRICKSTER
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 12438

                                Originally posted by BCA142
                                And as usual, LEO is exempt from the online purchasing restrictions. Gotta keep them happy so they support these corrupt politician's.
                                You too can be exempt from online purchasing restrictions. Pretty much anyone can if they take the time to do a little research and learn the law.


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