Need Help!!! for Bullet ID

[Fate]

This thread shows that CSI is bullpuckey! By now, Grissom et al would have been able to read the scratches on the bullet and determine make, model of the handgun and likely what the shooter ate for breakfast that day.

Sounds like we're getting closer.

[ivanimal]

El Dorado used to make a bullet called starfire, it is now marketed by PMC

http://www.pmcammo.com/starfire.html

[Jonathan Doe]

This thread shows that CSI is bullpuckey! By now, Grissom et al would have been able to read the scratches on the bullet and determine make, model of the handgun and likely what the shooter ate for breakfast that day.

Sounds like we're getting closer.

Of course I know which pistol fired the bullet. I just have not seen this particular bullet and trying to find out who manufactured / marketed the bullet. I have the pistol to compared it to also. I am surprised that with 1,000's of members here, no one can identify the bullet. Usually, you guys are good at it.

[Dr Rockso]

Of course I know which pistol fired the bullet. I just have not seen this particular bullet and trying to find out who manufactured / marketed the bullet. I have the pistol to compared it to also. I am surprised that with 1,000's of members here, no one can identify the bullet. Usually, you guys are good at it.

Just curious why you ruled out the Fioncci 123gr black coated ammo referenced on the THR and Glocktalk threads, supposedly they look almost exactly like Black Talons. Hard to tell since nobody seems to have a picture posted, but it seems consistent with the G.F.L. headstamps. Maybe you could try PMing the guy on glocktalk (Mwinter) who said he has a few.

[Jonathan Doe]

Just curious why you ruled out the Fioncci 123gr black coated ammo referenced on the THR and Glocktalk threads, supposedly they look almost exactly like Black Talons. Hard to tell since nobody seems to have a picture posted, but it seems consistent with the G.F.L. headstamps. Maybe you could try PMing the guy on glocktalk (Mwinter) who said he has a few.

I am not ruling out anything. I tried the thread, but I could not see the photo of the bullet. It was not coming up. Can you possibly post it?

[Dr Rockso]

I am not ruling out anything. I tried the thread, but I could not see the photo of the bullet. It was not coming up. Can you possibly post it?

I spent a little bit looking but couldn't find any photos. Keep in mind that the thread is 'old/rare/weird ammo', it's possible that particular Fiocchi ammo just didn't make it to the US in significant quantities. But hey, at least there's somebody out there with some of it in their possession.

[b.faust]

Could they have been custom reloads?
(i.e. the 'black coating')

[Jonathan Doe]

I will be calling Fiocchi USA and Hornady tomorrow. I spoke to a technician at Cheaper Than Dirt and they haven't seen them either. I called them because they sell a lot of different types of ammo. I will try to post a better picture with better focused bullet.

[CSACANNONEER]

Are you sure they were not reloads? Did the primers in the recovered brass have sealer on them? Have you checked the powder residue in the cases to determine what kind of powder was used? (Just kidding) But, the primer sealant would strongly point to factory primmed brass at least and, probably to factory ammo. Also, from what a buddy of mine (who works for Ventura County doing the same thing you do) told me, even factory bullets have slightly different lead mixtures in them. So, it would follow that bullet weights could also vary a grain or two. Also, it could have been manufactured by a smaller ammunition manufacturer using new primed brass and whatever bullets they could get.

[Jonathan Doe]

The brass had red sealer on them and the primer looked to be brass coated. It looked very odd. I have spoken to Hornady re:TAP bullets and Fiocchi today and no luck. Fiocchi said it may have been a product line for just the Europe a long time ago, but he didn't have any data. It was so old.

[SDgarrick]