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  • Jonathan Doe
    • May 2026

    Need Help!!! for Bullet ID

    I need help from the fellow Calgunners on identifying a bullet shown below. It is my case work and I cannot find the info on this bullet. It is a JHP and looks like a Black Talon, but the base in enclosed and tip has I believe 8 points. I contacted the Winchester and they said it is not their bullet. This may be from Fiocchi.

    Anyone seen this kind bullet before? Do you have any of them? Any help will be greatly appreciated. If you don't want to be public, you can PM me.



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    Fjold
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Oct 2005
    • 22926

    Most JHPs have enclosed bases.
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    • #3
      Jonathan Doe

      This particular one has enclosed base, but has black coating on the bullet just like Black Talon bullets. But bullet base of the Talon has open base with exposed lead. That is what puzzled me.

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      • #4
        anyracoon
        Veteran Member
        • May 2006
        • 3696

        Could have been "Moly Coated" What caliber?

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        • #5
          Jonathan Doe

          Originally posted by anyracoon
          Could have been "Moly Coated" What caliber?
          It is 9mm Luger caliber and it is not reload I believe. There were Remington and G.F.L head stamp cartridge cases.

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          • #6
            Jonathan Doe

            Originally posted by TomV
            Where's Micro Stamping when we need it ?
            Maybe we need it in this case.

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            • #7
              bohoki
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              • Jan 2006
              • 20815

              gfl contrary to popular opinion is not "gangsta for life"

              if it fiocchi

              so it might be this

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              what is its weight (it looks mostly intact)
              Last edited by bohoki; 03-09-2009, 7:00 PM.

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              • #8
                Jonathan Doe

                Originally posted by bohoki
                gfl contrary to popular opinion is not "gangsta for life"

                if it fiocchi

                so it might be this

                Cheaper Than Dirt! is America's Ultimate Shooting Sports Discounter, and we live up to that title. Expect bulk ammo deals, discounts, gun care accessories and more


                what is its weight (it looks mostly intact)
                The description said it is 115 grains. My bullet is 124 grains. Anyone has any idea what this is?

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                • #9
                  Fate
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 9545

                  Does the GFL case have a NATO cross on it? Possible Fiocci Italian military surplus?
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                  • #10
                    kermit
                    Member
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 290

                    Is the jacket steel? It could be some old german 9mm:

                    b. Pist. Patr. 08 S. m. E.

                    The cartridge case of this standard 9-mm semi-armor-piercing ammunition is the same as the ball ammunition, but the bullet has an iron or mild-steel core and a steel jacket. This ammunition may be identified by the black coloring of the bullet.

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                    • #11
                      Jonathan Doe

                      The cases does not have the NATO cross, and it is a copper jacket with black coating. Cartridge cases found at the scene are R-P and G.F.L. I am still researching it, but I am coming up with nothing. Again, it is JHP with black coating like Black Talon and closed base. Someone somewhere have seen this. Come on, fess up.

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                      • #12
                        USN CHIEF
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                        • Nov 2007
                        • 11540

                        Originally posted by topgun7
                        The cases does not have the NATO cross, and it is a copper jacket with black coating. Cartridge cases found at the scene are R-P and G.F.L. I am still researching it, but I am coming up with nothing. Again, it is JHP with black coating like Black Talon and closed base. Someone somewhere have seen this. Come on, fess up.
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                        Is everybody stocking up on guys now? Just curious some gun prices seem to be getting high.

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                        • #13
                          nick
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                          • Aug 2008
                          • 19151

                          I'm still looking for pictures, but Fiocchi did make 123gr (not 124gr) black-coated bullets. They copied them from Winchester.
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                          • #14
                            nick
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                            • Aug 2008
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                            JHP bullets, of course
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                            • #15
                              nick
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                              • Aug 2008
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                              Also, maybe you should post it here, I'd expect there to be a lot of ammo buffs on this site:

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