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  • #16
    Steves32
    Member
    • Jul 2016
    • 263

    I shoot BLM near Calico and it can be a mess sometimes. With my shooting gear, I bring trash bags and a rake. I really don’t mind but if you think a lecture will fix things, you are in for disappointment. I clean up so I can shoot w/ a clear conscience. I did my part.

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    • #17
      bronco75a
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2016
      • 659

      Originally posted by Steves32
      I shoot BLM near Calico and it can be a mess sometimes. With my shooting gear, I bring trash bags and a rake. I really don’t mind but if you think a lecture will fix things, you are in for disappointment. I clean up so I can shoot w/ a clear conscience. I did my part.
      Earlier this year a few times early in the morning around 9 am I saw a van come into several different areas with what I believe were juvenile offenders and they forced to police up all the brass and garbage left behind. I think this is a regular occurrence in that area.

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      • #18
        The Shootist
        Senior Member
        • May 2010
        • 1796

        Originally posted by bronco75a
        Earlier this year a few times early in the morning around 9 am I saw a van come into several different areas with what I believe were juvenile offenders and they forced to police up all the brass and garbage left behind. I think this is a regular occurrence in that area.
        That's a good thing! There should be more programs like this....I don't know who these people are but there are a heck of a lot more of them than us who clean up after ourselves...Maybe they are like meh someone else will come along shortly to clean up and could care less....In my head I would love to use these types as targets
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        • #19
          OCEquestrian
          Calguns Addict
          • Jun 2017
          • 6906

          Dont be surprised when more of these shooting area are shut down because of the ongoing trash problem.....
          "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue." ----Sen. Barry Goldwater

          Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ----Benjamin Franklin

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          • #20
            jonnyt16
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2009
            • 1749

            Originally posted by Not so Chapped Hide
            I live near Sparks and while I've never been shooting near Boca, I take my boys there once in a while to ride their motorcycles. If you ever want to do a shoot and clean up day, shoot me a message.

            BLM here does get a little trashed too but nothing like I was used to seeing in CA.
            Same here. My little shooting spot I go to near my house always has some broken glass and whatnot laying around but for the most part it's not that bad. Definitely worse back in Cali.

            Oh, and I'm down for a shooting/cleanup day at Boca too just let me know.

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            • #21
              Skip_Dog
              Veteran Member
              • Apr 2017
              • 2656

              [QUOTE=Steves32;20693648]if you think a lecture will fix things, you are in for disappointment. QUOTE]

              I think we all still need to lecture everyone you talk to about the importance to clean up after themselves. If we say nothing we do not even have a chance at changing one persons mind. Bring it up in the conversation. Hey nice weather for shooting ehh? Hey what are you shooting? Its hot out you need a cold water? (In front of their kids or others) Hey do you need a garbage bag to clean up when your done? I have extra bags right here. You know if we shooters don't clean up they will shut it down out here. I would like to have a place to bring my kids and grandkids to shoot in the future. Guilt works some times.

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              • #22
                IVC
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jul 2010
                • 17640

                This is a very old debate and, much like every time before, we miss the key point - common areas need to have dedicated cleaning staff/volunteers since self-cleaning has never worked.

                Take the most uppity opera theater with patrons who wouldn't fart when alone in their front yard because they find it uncouth, remove the janitors for a single day and look at what the bathroom will look like. It's not about being slobs, it's about small things adding up.

                I am not aware of a single area where humans (or animals) congregate that is kept clean without someone having the task to keep it clean. City protests, concerts, 4th of July celebrations, theaters, hospitals, university parks, office buildings, etc. You name it, it has to be cleaned.
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                • #23
                  sMp
                  Member
                  • Mar 2016
                  • 412

                  I make it a point to pack out more trash than I bring as well as collect more brass than I shoot.
                  It looks good if you happen to encounter a Ranger.
                  I blame my boy scout upbringing but it's just common sense really. But who has that these days??

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                  • #24
                    ar15barrels
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                    • Jan 2006
                    • 57183

                    Originally posted by superdave50
                    It's a sad reflection of society. Ad campaigns might help, but who will pay? Same for trash cans
                    Trash cans are just target holders when placed at public shooting areas.
                    Same as signs.
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                    • #25
                      Skip_Dog
                      Veteran Member
                      • Apr 2017
                      • 2656

                      Picking up paper targets and brass left over from another shooter is one thing. Packing out TVs metal boxes ect... that people just want to shoot to sh!7 is another. If you bring it out to shoot take it home. Period.

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                      • #26
                        Bansh88
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 2500

                        Originally posted by Skip_Dog
                        Picking up paper targets and brass left over from another shooter is one thing. Packing out TVs metal boxes ect... that people just want to shoot to sh!7 is another. If you bring it out to shoot take it home. Period.
                        I pulled a 40" flat screen from one of my spots. A-hole had the nerve to do it on a private property range. Worse yet, I knew the guy who left it there.
                        He has since apologized.

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                        • #27
                          OCEquestrian
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jun 2017
                          • 6906

                          Originally posted by IVC
                          This is a very old debate and, much like every time before, we miss the key point - common areas need to have dedicated cleaning staff/volunteers since self-cleaning has never worked.

                          Take the most uppity opera theater with patrons who wouldn't fart when alone in their front yard because they find it uncouth, remove the janitors for a single day and look at what the bathroom will look like. It's not about being slobs, it's about small things adding up.

                          I am not aware of a single area where humans (or animals) congregate that is kept clean without someone having the task to keep it clean. City protests, concerts, 4th of July celebrations, theaters, hospitals, university parks, office buildings, etc. You name it, it has to be cleaned.
                          This isn't even a matter of that...appropriate / wood targets left behind by filth shooters wouldn't be a problem. The PROBLEM is the MORONS bringing inappropriate "stuff" to shoot at that they would otherwise have thrown out (read TRASH) and leaving it... electronics (TV's/ Computers), Auto parts, glass, ceramics (toilets/sinks), appliances (refrigerators, microwaves), empty beer / soda cans etc... THese people are bringing their GARBAGE out to shoot at, not legitimate, safe targets.

                          When someone is seen shooting at items like these on public ranges, authorities / ranges should be notified ASAP. These MORONS need to be issued citations to drive home the stupidity of their actions.

                          Originally posted by ar15barrels
                          Trash cans are just target holders when placed at public shooting areas.
                          Same as signs.
                          ^^^^^^^ This too... and the damage is done by the same MORONS as above.....
                          Last edited by OCEquestrian; 09-26-2017, 12:21 PM.
                          "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue." ----Sen. Barry Goldwater

                          Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ----Benjamin Franklin

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                          • #28
                            jonnyt16
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 1749

                            Originally posted by OCEquestrian
                            When someone is seen shooting at items like these on public ranges, authorities / ranges should be notified ASAP. These MORONS need to be issued citations to drive home the stupidity of their actions.
                            Spoken like a true equestrian.

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                            • #29
                              OCEquestrian
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jun 2017
                              • 6906

                              Originally posted by jonnyt16
                              Spoken like a true equestrian.
                              So YOU support letting people haul their trash to shoot at on public land and leave it without recourse? What does "equestrian" have to do with it?? I understand how this issue is used against US ALL.......clearly your myopic viewpoint has you paling checkers instead of chess in this issue and probably many more...

                              I suppose you will be one of the outraged hypocrites who will scream bloody murder when the anti gun groups and anti trash DFS/ BLM bureaucrats permanently close the shooting areas... yup you will be all butt hurt and surprised, screaming your 2nd amendment rights are unfairly restricted...

                              Guess what EVERYONE... with rights come responsibility!
                              "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue." ----Sen. Barry Goldwater

                              Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ----Benjamin Franklin

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                              • #30
                                hunterb
                                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                                CGN Contributor
                                • Jun 2011
                                • 3796

                                Originally posted by OCEquestrian
                                If responsible gun owners / shooters want ranges on public lands to remain open, they had better start to "self police" and I suggest the NRA /CRPA step up start a "we tip" hotline to DFS / BML Rangers to report those people while they are still there. Gun owners need to be willing to turn these criminals in and be willing to testify in court if nessisary.
                                THIS is a great idea. Narc out those P.O.S's before they ruin it for everybody.

                                Originally posted by OCEquestrian
                                This isn't even a matter of that...appropriate / wood targets left behind by filth shooters wouldn't be a problem. The PROBLEM is the MORONS bringing inappropriate "stuff" to shoot at that they would otherwise have thrown out (read TRASH) and leaving it... electronics (TV's/ Computers), Auto parts, glass, ceramics (toilets/sinks), appliances (refrigerators, microwaves), empty beer / soda cans etc... THese people are bringing their GARBAGE out to shoot at, not legitimate, safe targets.

                                When someone is seen shooting at items like these on public ranges, authorities / ranges should be notified ASAP. These MORONS need to be issued citations to drive home the stupidity of their actions.
                                100% AGREE!!
                                Last edited by hunterb; 09-26-2017, 4:13 PM.
                                Originally posted by johnthomas
                                ...The hardest part getting rid of crap is getting started.

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