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[Sapperforward]

It was a simple question jackoff.. as far as me being a socialist.. have you ever been, worked, or lived in a country that upholds the true ideology of socialism? Probably not, so infering im a socalist per my question about pricing difference in NoC vs SoC tells me that you are one of the self proclaimed keyboard experts that page seems to have dozens of. GfYS

Nice. So you attack me and call me that name because you posted one of a thousand threads here complaining about prices. You do know we have rules about this being a family site. Try reading them. I'll just report that one for you. Since we are being petty and all. You are going to make friends here fast.

[Bassbones13]

Im not here to make friends . This is just a virtual version of the playgrounds in grammar school. I joined for one reason, the market place because I am looking for a specific glock for a specific reason... and looking at the amount of ridiculousness with pricing No vs So ill just go to my LGS. At least I know the actual rd count and that nothing was polished by a friends friends cousin that "builds" custom guns.

[Chapped Hide]

Im not here to make friends . This is just a virtual version of the playgrounds in grammar school. I joined for one reason, the market place because I am looking for a specific glock for a specific reason... and looking at the amount of ridiculousness with pricing No vs So ill just go to my LGS. At least I know the actual rd count and that nothing was polished by a friends friends cousin that "builds" custom guns.

Great idea, bye now

[SoCal Bob]

It mostly comes down to supply and demand. Couple that with CA laws that restrict you to one handgun purchase every 30 days from an FFL, but no restrictions on the number of used PPT handguns (LA city limits excepted).

The Calguns marketplace is no different than any other online sales sites. I am looking for a specific year and type of vehicle. The ones priced too high get passed on, the ads priced in the ballpark get calls for more details.

[Sapperforward]

Im not here to make friends . This is just a virtual version of the playgrounds in grammar school. I joined for one reason, the market place because I am looking for a specific glock for a specific reason... and looking at the amount of ridiculousness with pricing No vs So ill just go to my LGS. At least I know the actual rd count and that nothing was polished by a friends friends cousin that "builds" custom guns.

So then the point of your post was just to complain about the marketplace and then to cut and run then?








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[Red9]

Im not here to make friends . This is just a virtual version of the playgrounds in grammar school. I joined for one reason, the market place because I am looking for a specific glock for a specific reason... and looking at the amount of ridiculousness with pricing No vs So ill just go to my LGS. At least I know the actual rd count and that nothing was polished by a friends friends cousin that "builds" custom guns.

There are some really great folks here. Met some outstanding calgunners buying and selling here. Take some time to actually meet and read some of the threads here. Some good reads. Not everyone here is a keyboard operator. Some of us are pretty nice with valuable insights.

As for a particular glock? Maybe place a wtb post? Ive been looking for a glock 20 sf for awhile. Found it here with quite a bit of extras for a modest price. Lucky for me seller was a reloader too, so I scored 10 mm brass and a host of other good stuff. Had I bought it new I would pay tax, plus mags, etc.. Yes at times some of the guns are more than new. But again one needs to add up all the extras.
Ymmv just my .02

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[TMB 1]

New firearms sell for less in So Cal compared to Nor Cal.

[Kestryll]

It was a simple question jackoff.. as far as me being a socialist.. have you ever been, worked, or lived in a country that upholds the true ideology of socialism? Probably not, so infering im a socalist per my question about pricing difference in NoC vs SoC tells me that you are one of the self proclaimed keyboard experts that page seems to have dozens of. GfYS

Nice. So you attack me and call me that name because you posted one of a thousand threads here complaining about prices. You do know we have rules about this being a family site. Try reading them. I'll just report that one for you. Since we are being petty and all. You are going to make friends here fast.

Normally yes, I'd delete the comment however in this case I'll quote the words of Judge Mills Lane, I'll allow it.

Mainly because yeah, you WERE being a jerk for no reason.

[IVC]

I would disagree. The government does not set the price in our marketplace the seller does. If the seller want to list for a dollar he/she can. If the seller wants to list for $10,000 he/she can as well. The market will dictate if it sells.

While true, that doesn't mean "free market."

[IVC]

So where you finding a NIB G19 for $425-450 OTD. . A Gen3 G19 for $535 otd is hardly a 15-20% markup

The link you posted is for a NIB G19. Keep digging if you really think you have a case. Show me 15-20% as noted in the op. SMH

I've also posted a 5.7 that is at exactly 20% markup *after* lowering the asking price and a USP 9c that is at just over 10% markup from NEW. This was just on the first page of the classifieds, without even searching.

The only reason I even posted links was because I was called on my claim that some people do try to sell on-roster guns for more than new guns (forget the MSRP), so I just wanted to post a few quick examples. These are not even close to the most egregious examples I've seen over the years.

[Chapped Hide]

I've also posted a 5.7 that is at exactly 20% markup *after* lowering the asking price and a USP 9c that is at just over 10% markup from NEW. This was just on the first page of the classifieds, without even searching.

The only reason I even posted links was because I was called on my claim that some people do try to sell on-roster guns for more than new guns (forget the MSRP), so I just wanted to post a few quick examples. These are not even close to the most egregious examples I've seen over the years.

As noted above, your assumptions are incorrect and do not factor in all of the costs associated with purchasing a new gun, either from an LGS or from an online retailer. I'm done here.

[IVC]

As noted above, your assumptions are incorrect and do not factor in all of the costs associated with purchasing a new gun, either from an LGS or from an online retailer. I'm done here.

We are not talking about TOTAL cost, we are talking about the BASE price.

I said in *every* post that the justification by some sellers for the extra asking amount is precisely that there will be *additional* cost that will make it almost a wash. I also don't claim that the guns sell at that price, merely that the asking prices are often trying to piggy back off of the off-roster hysteria.

That's enough to confuse and/or upset a new member who hasn't seen it before. If I tried to sell you a used car over what the local dealer charges for the same model new, but slightly below what your total cost would be, you wouldn't be crazy to question the whole deal and to ask questions about it.

However, asking 1,600 for a 1,250 Five seveN doesn't add up under ANY alternative reality calculation. That's my point.

[IVC]

As noted above, your assumptions are incorrect and do not factor in all of the costs associated with purchasing a new gun, either from an LGS or from an online retailer. I'm done here.

I also just noticed that you list your location as Nevada.

Would you buy an average, garden variety used gun from the CA marketplace? That's the best gauge of whether you consider this market "free" and "fair."

[Chapped Hide]

We are not talking about TOTAL cost, we are talking about the BASE price.

I said in *every* post that the justification by some sellers for the extra asking amount is precisely that there will be *additional* cost that will make it almost a wash. I also don't claim that the guns sell at that price, merely that the asking prices are often trying to piggy back off of the off-roster hysteria.

That's enough to confuse and/or upset a new member who hasn't seen it before. If I tried to sell you a used car over what the local dealer charges for the same model new, but slightly below what your total cost would be, you wouldn't be crazy to question the whole deal and to ask questions about it.

However, asking 1,600 for a 1,250 Five seveN doesn't add up under ANY alternative reality calculation. That's my point.

But you can't compare just base price, you're skewing the numbers by not including tax, shipping, credit card fees, out of state transfer fees. You are not going to find the lowest price possible at your LGS, that lowest price is going to come at a cost.

I guess I just don't get the point of *****ing about the price. You either pay it or you don't. There are lots of factors to weigh and it all comes down to how your numbers add up.

[tsnoforn]

Why is it that in SoCal I see used guns 15 to 20% less than a new one costs but in NoCal people are actually asking 15 to 20% over what you can buy one from BPS or a LGS..



Round count? Seriously does anyone believe you.. someone posted a rd count for a rifle that was probably 75 years OLDER than they were.. how the hell can you state rd count?



Just asking....

1. The market is the market. If you really like a gun, buy it. You will not miss an extra hundred dollars while enjoying the piece you really wanted.

2. Unless it is a collectable, I like to buy new. All used firearms "only have a hundred rounds through it". Thats why they are selling it. Of course it is perfect and doesnt have ftf problems... thats why I'm selling it. The less it is than market price, the more suspect it is. I dont want to scare you, but a screwed up used gun can hurt you. If you dont know, ask a knowledgeable friend to go with you to purchase... offer the seller some range time and fire it.

3. Sometimes its all good, heck I bought a pristine used Glock 19 for 450 bucks. Thats what they go for around here. It was in the case, the seller was a nice professional man (who smokes way too much). But the pistol was pristine and it has night sights. So who cares how much he shot it? Dont get hung up on round count. I have 10000 rounds out of my favorite auto and it looks rough... but it still shoots good. If the gun is box and case candy pristine I would worry more that the gun doesnt work well. If it has a few carry marks the guy trusted his life with it.


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