Complete garbage guns

[DNA]

Here's everyone's favorite thread.

Honestly in my years of shooting and opening various brands and models of firearms, none have stuck me as being complete and utter POS guns. Sure some have had teething problems (magazine related usually), occasionally parts have decided to launch at the range (sights, extractors usually), but none that were just void of redeeming features.

I have to say that must firearms are like most California wines, most are ok, several are exceptional and the terrible ones are all well known (Vulcan, hesse, blackthorn).

That said, anyone agree or disagree? Had yourself a complete and utter POS you feel the need to call out? Do it.

Dan

[hunterb]

AR's from the Pre-OLL days...."Ring of Fire" pistols...

Nothing I have actually personally experienced....eager to hear what others have to say though!!

[JackEllis]

Not a firearm but cheap Bushnell scopes. A very gracious offer from my hunting partner to use his .300 Win Mag, saved that elk hunt. And wouldn't ya know, his rifle hardly kicked at all.

[MarikinaMan]

The Sig 556R was a POS.

[Rifle ronin]

I have been collecting for at least 3 decades and i have a few guns and rifles. There are two that did not survive.

One was the first gun I ever purchased, a Grendal .380. It was an ok gun, until I tried a deep cleaning and took it apart past a normal field strip. Springs flew and could not get replacements parts, I forgot why.

Next was an Astra A-80 .45 caliber. Its a copy of the old sig sauers and was actually a good shooter! I liked the trigger on it and I shot great groups. Well, at the time the (ex spouse) worked at the gun range and I think she and her buddies there put some hot load through the gun. The front of the slide started to crack and separate at the weak points.

So, really the problems with them are operator errors and kind of make them not such POS's. They just had bad luck and didn't get to stay in the gun cabinet for very long.

[BigPimping]

Lorcin 380. Not even worth the metal it was made from. A total jam o matic

[Unsilenced]

Heritage Rough Rider.

Could be fired from half cock, before the cylinder was aligned, but with the chamber still close enough for the hammer to strike the rim.

Never actually fired the thing, fortunately, but sending it back to Heritage didn't get me anything but a month long wait and an equally broken gun back in the mail.

Most people I've talked to who have owned one have liked them, so maybe I just got a lemon. That, or others just don't care what might happen if they slip the hammer a bit while cocking.



My Walther P22 isn't an amazing piece either, but I'm still breaking it in and tuning it and I knew about the issues before I bought it, so I'm not broken up over it.



Overall though I think people exaggerate their gun woes. That, or the bad stories get circulated disproportionately to how common those types of issues are. Any time you go to buy a budget gun, or really any gun that isn't the absolute top of its class, you'll find forum posts about how it single handedly ruined someone's entire life and how every internal component is actually made of wet crackers. When I got my CZ I was told there was a 50% chance of it being a total lemon that would never make it through a mag, when I got my double barreled shotgun I was told I shouldn't take it if the seller was paying /me/ $250, when I got my SD9VE I was told I'd need a car jack to pull the trigger and just about every black powder gun I've ever bought has come with the assurance that it can only end in me digging shrapnel out of my forehead.


Not sure what these guns did to these poor people, but I'm sure they could write one hell of a country song about it.

[GW]

Davis D-380
It was supposed to be a semi-auto...
I traded it for a used SOG multi tool and laughed on my way out of the shop. Zinc and steel crap.

[orangeusa]

Another vote for Heritage. I shot the thing and it always made me frustrated. Horrid aim point, crappy frame, embarrassing quality. I hated the safety they added to a SAA gun.

2nd vote for Beretta Jetfire. 25 ACP, the recoil springs would sneak past the grips and make a mess. I sold it with major caveats to the new owner.

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[Lonestargrizzly]

Kimber custom ii

[Jimmy's]

Remington 700 bolt knob broke off, Remington fixed it gave me a hat to make up for it. It broke off two years later. Smith fixed it rifle gone.

[JackEllis]

Not my rifle but a got a Kimber for Christmas one year. It patterned like a shotgun and after a lot of back-and-forth with Kimber, he sent it back. Not sure whether they returned the original or gave him a new one but it did shoot better...except for two rounds of Remington Core-Lokt that failed to fire. Maybe it was the ammo, and maybe it was the firing pin. They should work perfectly out of the box for what they cost.

[sealocan]

I have shot few guns, that were known to be "garbage" by the gun community, that my friends owned.

A Jennings J 22.
it seem to function for the first thousand rounds or so but then he experienced ALL types of failures, including it disassembling itself as I was shooting it, (you don't know what gun embarrassment is until you've used the range broom, intended for picking up shells, to reach out into your shooting lane, during a cease-fire, to sweep up a pistol slide and various parts)

even though it had been cleaned and well maintained for its entire short life.
on the plus side it only cost him $80 brand-new and I think he sold it for $60, way back when.
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A Rohm, RG 23.
the cheap pot metal "made in Germany" 22 caliber revolver that gave us the phrase "Saturday night special".
the spring-loaded firing pin system broke but I was able to put it together using American ingenuity.
But they would've been better just going with the old hammer style firing pin in my opinion.
It's probably still working but also still missing its targets,

by a couple of feet.

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Davis Derringer
These are also made mostly from pot metal and shouldn't be confused with real derringers, other then they all have Very heavy triggers due to the lack of trigger guard (and lawyers).

this one actually did not break (and as far as I know he still has it) and functioned as it should.
The thing was It should've been designed a little better...

the cross bolt safety went the wrong direction and could've been easily designed to be better, the tall front site and small rear sight did not work well together and didn't help with the already poor accuracy from the very short-barreled and shallow rifling manufacturing and design.
I also think they could've installed a very small spring to give automatic extraction rather than manual.

But again I think this friend only paid $80 brand-new so what do you expect.

[tawadc95]

Kimber raptor ultra

[Illumi Naughty]

Kimber Ultra Carry II 9mm. Wouldn't feed right, wouldn't extract, sent back to Kimber, still hiccuped. No longer own Kimbers.