Everyday Carry: Medical

[SloChicken]

I guess if you got attacked by some thugs, deploying your medical MJ could be more effective than a tourniquet.
I guess everyone gets to decide what's in their own IFAK

I don't smoke pot ya knucklehead.

I view its risk/benefit like any other drug, or tool (either tourniquet or LoneStarGrissle) and decide what I think at that point.

For now, no pot, but we will see.

The Marines (wounded warrior batt/pendleton) are allowing active dutymembers to explore MJ use for ptsd.

[SloChicken]

[ProtectThe2nd]

Since you won't take my word for it ...

An excerpt from an Emergency Medicine Journal article;

The military have been at the forefront of reintroducing tourniquet use into modern practice. The new military trauma paradigm teaches that control of catastrophic haemorrhage takes priority over airway and breathing assessment.

... In a recent paper of military tourniquet use 47% of 110 tourniquet applications were not clinically indicated.6...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2660095/

So...
Bleeding takes precedent
53% of 110 applied TQs were clinically indicated
According to your own ref. material

By percentage then I'll carry a TQ over an easily substitutable Palm PPT

Your other items fit between my ears or not in my pocket

[Dee_Dub]

SWAT-T for carry.

Easy to fit comfortably in my pockets and one hand deployable.

It does other things too.

Sent using a long string and 2 Dixie cups

Swat -t is a great tourniquet but is difficult for self aid. Also ppl with thicker thighs might not be as effective. I carry one in my truck. They're smaller compared to other tourniquets and less expensive.

[SloChicken]

So...
Bleeding takes precedent
53% of 110 applied TQs were clinically indicated
According to your own ref. material

By percentage then I'll carry a TQ over an easily substitutable Palm PPT

Your other items fit between my ears or not in my pocket

That is combat injury.
And they are speaking of life-threatening catastrophic injury - unlikely to see anything of that sort as a passr-by stateside.
Read the article and be enlightened, or soundbite like msnbc.

[ProtectThe2nd]

I can use the TQ's windlass when needed w/out full on TQ !!!

[SloChicken]

I can use the TQ's windless when needed w/out full on TQ !!!

Yes,

And if you read the article, you will better understand why, and why not.

PS, "windlAss", like the thing that hoists anchor.

[Dee_Dub]

The number of people saying "Use my belt" is worrying.

One of the main reasons for a properly built TQ is to give those final twists with the rod to cut off the circulation, and then lock into place. If you use your belt, and its a decent gun belt, that sucker isnt gonna twist. Furthermore, you now have an unsecured holster/gun and you are stuck holding a belt as tight as you can (if you are lucky enough to need it for your leg instead of going one handed on the arm) while your hand(s) are possibly covered in your own slick blood. Im curious if any of you that claim the belt is good enough has ever tried out your belt and had someone check for pulse.

Im also going to argue that your typical cables do not have the strength, nor adequate surface area to stop bleeding thats on a level where a TQ is required.

Lets keep the hypothetical use to your own limbs for the purpose of this thread

Well if a belts the only thing that you have isn't it better than nothing? Improvised tourniquets are not as effective but still worth applying.

[ProtectThe2nd]

That is combat injury.
And they are speaking of life-threatening catastrophic injury - unlikely to see anything of that sort as a passr-by stateside.
Read the article and be enlightened, or soundbite like msnbc.

I only responded to your sound bite

[SloChicken]

I only responded to your sound bite

LOL,

Well, if you care to know, that resource is about as good a synopsis of history, use, misuse, risk, benefit, application, removal, and transfer that one will find.

Or we can go round and round here.

I have all the time in the world to discuss, I don't work again until I am healed (TBI, ulnar fx d/t a little argument with my corvette and a dirt field and fence) - but probably won't go back to work until I move to OryGun.

[Lonestargrizzly]

LOL,

Well, if you care to know, that resource is about as good a synopsis of history, use, misuse, risk, benefit, application, removal, and transfer that one will find.

Or we can go round and round here.

I have all the time in the world to discuss, I don't work again until I am healed (TBI, ulnar fx d/t a little argument with my corvette and a dirt field and fence) - but probably won't go back to work until I move to OryGun.

Put a tourniquet on it and you'll heal faster.

[SloChicken]

Put a tourniquet on it and you'll heal faster.

Lol,
Neck tourniquet.

Believe me, I have had my share of pts where this, or a bit of anterior pillow therapy was in order.
Still, I resist.

Thank god for beer.

[Lonestargrizzly]

https://www.amazon.com/OTC-Cervical-Traction-Relief-Complete/dp/B000JNLT0I

Would this help?

[SloChicken]

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[Tasty]

Don't carry a TQ on me as part of my EDC gear. But I do keep medical supplies with a 2 TQ's included in each vehicle(except the motorcycles). I would carry one on me if I could find a realistic way to do so.

As a career paramedic, I would not administer care to anyone outside the line of duty. There's way too much liability involved and I've already been caught up in the justice system on a 3 Strikes person that I administered Aid to at a vehicle accident. At my house I have a full trauma bag - the narcs

Sure I can elaborate on that no problem. I stopped at a accident on the side of Highway 4 in Antioch. The only person on scene was a CHP and he didn't seem to know what to do. The car was rolled over and there was one person inside hanging in a seatbelt. I identified myself with my badge and I had rubber gloves on. I always carry them in the truck. I crawled into the car to see if the person was okay, at that point the person said that they felt woozy and could I please take these. The person tossed me a bag of some sort of Narcotics. I in turn handed those to the police officer. It turned out the person had already had two previous drug-related arrests and this was going to be the third. As a person that had been on seeing as also seeing and handling the evidence I became caught up in the chain of evidence. The entire process was 18 months and four court dates that I had to attend. Unless it's a minivan full of kids, from now on I'm not stopping.

From someone who's been on the side of Highway 4 in Antioch with broken bones and bleeding road rash on both arms, let me be the first to say thank you to people like you. I was hit by a car at the Somersville offramp (before they widened the freeway) when I was on my motorcycle headed home from work. Two men pulled over, asked if they had my permission to administer basic first aid and started doing what they could to help. Sure, it wasn't much. But it was something. It was better than being there by myself watching the cars drive by and the drivers gawk at the blood dripping from my arms all over my pants and the red puddle that was forming around me.

It's unfortunate that attempting to help someone can cause you a headache like it did. But as the saying goes: no good deed goes unpunished.

And to go full circle, no... they didn't apply a TQ to stop any of the bleeding lol.