Got scam in PPT

[pacrat]

I got pretty much all of his information, and I wanted to sue him as a small claim but as I mentioned, the court will dismiss my case if I don't have the exact location of the person I want to sue

The Court requires "Proof of Service" for the plaintiff. Before they will hear the case. And even if you find and serve him in Az. He will likely just laugh.

If he has been served and ignores it, and fails to appear. What are the consequences to him? You automatically win. But what do you win?

What you win is a piece of paper from the court. With no viable means of enforcing it against the resident of another state.

I'm truly sorry you got screwed. But you got screwed. Seller is obviously a POS with no self respect or integrity. But he is also a POS with no self respect or integrity that has your money and there is nothing you can
legally do about it.

Don't ever be naive enough to think there is any Justice in the courts.

[iArmy]

The Court requires "Proof of Service" for the plaintiff. Before they will hear the case. And even if you find and serve him in Az. He will likely just laugh.

If he has been served and ignores it, and fails to appear. What are the consequences to him? You automatically win. But what do you win?

What you win is a piece of paper from the court. With no viable means of enforcing it against the resident of another state.

I'm truly sorry you got screwed. But you got screwed. Seller is obviously a POS with no self respect or integrity. But he is also a POS with no self respect or integrity that has your money and there is nothing you can
legally do about it.

Don't ever be naive enough to think there is any Justice in the courts.

That sucks

[Skip_Dog]

I see a JUDGE JUDY case coming soon. Contact her people.

[mike415stone]

Dude looks like Curly form the 3 stooges.

Not much you can do from a distance except waste a lot of time and effort. You can trash him on Facebook, send written fraud complaint to his local PD and demand some sort of case number and keep writing the letters until you get one. If he is working for somebody start sending messages to his workplace. Does he have some sort of state license? File a fraud complaint.

Stink up his life and make him want pay you make and hope you just go away.

Only things I can think of

[Win231]

ROFLMAO!! "sue this fuker"

[cvigue]

Over $400?

I'd call it an IQ level up and be thankful it wasn't more.

[Two Nuggets]

I agree with the others. Chalk it up as a hard lesson learned. Karma will hopefully strike down on him hard.

[audiophil2]

I have collectors that would take care of this for you in a day or 2 but they charge a lot more than the $400 you are out.

[iArmy]

Dude looks like Curly form the 3 stooges.

Not much you can do from a distance except waste a lot of time and effort. You can trash him on Facebook, send written fraud complaint to his local PD and demand some sort of case number and keep writing the letters until you get one. If he is working for somebody start sending messages to his workplace. Does he have some sort of state license? File a fraud complaint.

Stink up his life and make him want pay you make and hope you just go away.

Only things I can think of

Thanks

[Rivers]

The Court requires "Proof of Service" for the plaintiff. Before they will hear the case. And even if you find and serve him in Az. He will likely just laugh.

If he has been served and ignores it, and fails to appear. What are the consequences to him? You automatically win. But what do you win?

What you win is a piece of paper from the court. With no viable means of enforcing it against the resident of another state.

I'm truly sorry you got screwed. But you got screwed. Seller is obviously a POS with no self respect or integrity. But he is also a POS with no self respect or integrity that has your money and there is nothing you can
legally do about it.

Don't ever be naive enough to think there is any Justice in the courts.

Having been down that road (years ago, and rules may have changed since then), you can win. Out of state does complicate it but you can still at least mess with him.

First, you must send him a specific demand letter, wait a period of time, and then serve the court papers showing the date and place the trial is set.

You go to court ready to prove your case. He will likely blow it off. You should win by default so make sure you itemize all of your legitimate expenses and damages. The judge will set the amount of the award which you should then get recorded with the courts and possibly the local Marshall's office. If the guy has ANY assets in CA, you must identify them including bank account numbers, automobile make/model/license with locations likely to find the vehicle. Also any real estate, etc. Really, ANYTHING within the state that he can call an asset.

If he is not within CA, you either need to go to the state he's in or retain an attorney in that state. Then you take the CA judgment to that state and follow that state's process to have the CA judgment enforced in that state. You may get nothing out of it and an attorney gets it all but at least the scumbag seller had to pay someone.

Basic rules: do not give him any notice of what you're doing. Stay under the radar until you're ready to pounce, so to speak. Do NOT try to negotiate with him. If he wanted to be honest with you, things would never degraded like they have. Assume he's a liar and thief. Now treat him consistent with how he's acted. Follow the court's rules to the letter and make sure that you document whatever you claim.

[baih777]

sent you a PM.

pursue internet fraud across state lines. its a felony.
if they do catch him, and he posts bail. when it comes to trial, if he does not show up, then they will issue a arrest warrant. then you will have to wait till he gets caught again.

[calif 15-22]

Looks like it was from this thread?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1252526&highlight=Spartan

Sucks you got played OP. Hope you get some recourse.

If nothing else can the Mods delete his account just to make sure no one else gets scammed?

User Name: ITZROGUECHAOS

OP sorry for you loss and good luck.

[LowThudd]

sent you a PM.

pursue internet fraud across state lines. its a felony.
if they do catch him, and he posts bail. when it comes to trial, if he does not show up, then they will issue a arrest warrant. then you will have to wait till he gets caught again.

Couldn't this fall under RICO civil law? If not Federally, than either CA or AZ state RICO law.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/rico-offenses.htm

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/state-rico-laws.htm

If you could get a RICO case going, you "may" be able to get you're money back, but it would certainly screw him up. Asset forfeiture of vehicle used, the firearm in question etc.

http://www.diemerwhitman.com/blog/2016/11/civil-rico-claims-in-california.shtml

[DDM4556]

Sorry for the loss OP. But perhaps this should be a reminder to anyone considering providing a deposit on a gun, sight unseen. DON'T give your money to someone with ZERO feedback and 2 total posts.

I'm sorry you got burned by this POS, but I'm sure you knew the risk going in.

[pacrat]

sent you a PM.

pursue internet fraud across state lines. its a felony.
if they do catch him, and he posts bail. when it comes to trial, if he does not show up, then they will issue a arrest warrant. then you will have to wait till he gets caught again.

Would not qualify as internet fraud across state lines. Only internet connection was original advertisement. Both parties were in Ca, Deposit was given in Ca. In face to face meeting.

Seller leaving the state after the fact. Makes it more difficult for the stiffed buyer. But does not contribute to the Civil Fraud nature of the transaction.