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  • #31
    njineermike
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2010
    • 9784

    Originally posted by Mitch
    How do permits reduce false alarms?
    Didn't you get the memo? Permits are a magic panacea for all evils in the world. Just look at what the handgun permitting process did for gang murders in CA, NO, N.Y., etc....
    Originally posted by Kestryll
    Dude went full CNN...
    Peace, love, and heavy weapons. Sometimes you have to be insistent." - David Lee Roth

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    • #32
      njineermike
      Calguns Addict
      • Dec 2010
      • 9784

      Originally posted by God Bless America
      It's about the freeloading aholes who screw everything up with too many false alarms.

      I have zero issues with an alarm permit.
      Is someone who calls 911 because they thought they saw something they actually didn't also a freeloading a-hole?
      Originally posted by Kestryll
      Dude went full CNN...
      Peace, love, and heavy weapons. Sometimes you have to be insistent." - David Lee Roth

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      • #33
        heidad01
        Veteran Member
        • Feb 2012
        • 4902

        Originally posted by Pandanin
        I disagree.

        It's easy enough to keep track of false alarms without a permit being purchased. If there are too many false alarms, start fining the homeowner.

        Having a permit does nothing to further allocation of public safety resources nor does it prevent false alarms.

        Permits are another form of taxation. There is no inspection of alarms and no other follow-up beyond the up-front demand for cash.
        2nd that. It is 100% legal extortion like most other permits and fees.

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        • #34
          67Cuda
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2013
          • 1716

          In my city the police won't respond to an alarm unless the alarm is verified real. This is done, with my alarm, through a call center that you communicate directly with through the alarm system. If you are not home, they call your cell or someone on the list to verify the alarm. You are also notified through a phone app as well, that you can use to operate the alarm remotely.
          No permit necessary.
          Originally posted by ivanimal
          People that call other member stupid get time off.
          So much for being honest.

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          • #35
            Mitch
            Mostly Harmless
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Mar 2008
            • 6574

            Who wants to hear some false alarm stories?

            I've only set up alarms for my business in two cities, Costa Mesa CA and Reno NV. No permits required. I've only ever had false alarms.

            We had a couple of alarms not long after we moved to Reno (teething problems). The cops were there (multiple units) when I showed up, and they wouldn't let me into the building until they went in and cleared it themselves.

            That was cool, but it made me realize that when I showed up for the alarms in Costa Mesa, the cops would follow me inside!

            Hey, Costa Mesa PD, I love you guys . . . but damn!
            Originally posted by cockedandglocked
            Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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            • #36
              God Bless America
              Calguns Addict
              • May 2014
              • 5165

              Originally posted by njineermike
              Is someone who calls 911 because they thought they saw something they actually didn't also a freeloading a-hole?
              If they are careless about it, then yes.

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              • #37
                God Bless America
                Calguns Addict
                • May 2014
                • 5165

                Originally posted by Mitch
                How do permits reduce false alarms?
                Maybe the same way water heater permits reduce bad installs. Maybe it's a placebo effect. Maybe people pay attention if they have to pay for a permit.

                Maybe sovereign citizens don't need no permits, and permits are making the po-lice rich.

                If you don't want the police in on your alarm system, then don't pay for it.

                If you don't want to pay for alarm permits, cry me a river, there is all kind of crap I should not have to pay for.
                Last edited by God Bless America; 05-02-2017, 12:12 PM.

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                • #38
                  ShockBros
                  • Dec 2013
                  • 223

                  Heard about the permits but never inquired...

                  I could understand the wasted time with false alarms.

                  We had one the first week. I knew that stupid Key Fob shouldn't be in my pocket.

                  Cops were cool but I was pretty nervous about answering the door.
                  "Revolution is not a spectator sport"

                  "Paranoia is only good thinking when everyone is out to get you"

                  Who is John Galt?

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                  • #39
                    njineermike
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 9784

                    Originally posted by God Bless America
                    Maybe the same way water heater permits reduce bad installs. Maybe it's a placebo effect. Maybe people pay attention if they have to pay for a permit.

                    Maybe sovereign citizens don't need no permits, and permits are making the po-lice rich.

                    If you don't want the police in on your alarm system, then don't pay for it.

                    If you don't want to pay for alarm permits, cry me a river, there is all kind of crap I should not have to pay for.
                    Statists gonna state.
                    Originally posted by Kestryll
                    Dude went full CNN...
                    Peace, love, and heavy weapons. Sometimes you have to be insistent." - David Lee Roth

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                    • #40
                      Mitch
                      Mostly Harmless
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 6574

                      Originally posted by God Bless America
                      Maybe the same way water heater permits reduce bad installs. Maybe it's a placebo effect. Maybe people pay attention if they have to pay for a permit.
                      Maybe you don't have an answer.
                      Originally posted by cockedandglocked
                      Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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                      • #41
                        Tasty
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 1829

                        Originally posted by God Bless America
                        If you don't want to pay for alarm permits, cry me a river
                        No thanks, I'd rather just have an unpermitted alarm system.
                        As the great warrior poet Ice Cube once said "If the day does not require an AK, it is good."

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                        • #42
                          God Bless America
                          Calguns Addict
                          • May 2014
                          • 5165

                          Originally posted by njineermike
                          Statists gonna state.
                          And Sovereign Citizens gonna hate.

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                          • #43
                            God Bless America
                            Calguns Addict
                            • May 2014
                            • 5165

                            Originally posted by Tasty
                            No thanks, I'd rather just have an unpermitted alarm system.
                            You can. It's the police notification that requires a permit. If your alarm doesn't communicate with the police, I don't know that they care if you have an alarm that does not notify them or otherwise raise hell.

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                            • #44
                              RandyD
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 6673

                              Originally posted by ejhc11
                              Hi all,

                              I just got a self install home alarm but my city requires it to be permitted with the local police dept.

                              On the application​ there is a line if you have firearms to disclose.

                              Just wanted to know if you guys disclose that info on the alarm application.

                              Thanks...
                              I would leave the line regarding disclosure of firearms blank. I am suspicious of California government entities using this information against me.

                              Out of curiosity, what is the cost of the permit?
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                              • #45
                                Flyliner
                                Member
                                • May 2008
                                • 288

                                My City requires all persons installing an alarm to obtain an Alarm Permit from the Police Department regardless if it is connected to the Police Dept or private monitoring company or none at all. Permits are $58 and must be renewed triannually for residential & biannually for commercial permits.

                                There was this line, which I left it blank:
                                "Optional Premise Information: Weapon(s)/Dog(s) Description:_____"
                                .



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