Springfield Armory capitulates in Illinois

[GM4spd]

I did like the older M1A rifles,never owned their handguns.

[denpython]

Thanks for the clarification.

Oh, fan-freging-tastic. Another group of otherwise unemployable state and county numb nuts totally ignorant of guns (except for the "Shoulder Thingy that goes up") will be writing Gun Laws.

OK so SA etal. saved their necks (in the short haul) by being neutral on this (the deal). Samll FFL and private gun buyers get the short stick. SA etal. get a pass for now and may have an uppaer hand business-wise against potential rivals in that state.. for now...

I wonder how feasible it was to oppose? i.e. whether it was a political done deal anyway via dirty politics. I wonder whether this is a strategy and the NRA will sue afterward?...

The bad thing is that it does nonetheless set precedent for the likes of Calif.

Illinois can always add 'sleight of hand' interpretation to the law and new categories to further put the squeeze on the 2A. That is the 'clever' method of the progressive lawyer gang.

I take a wait n see. I am glad I bought an SA Loaded 2last month. In part because it was the only 9mm 1911 available in Calif. new at a decent price even. If SA really messed up, they will reap their poop pie.
Unfortunately, in Calif. they supply the only on roster goodies of certain types.. for now !

I am donating again to the NRA for the upcoming Calif. legal challenge. That is better than being chest fallen for me.

[John Browning]

I don't see why this is a big deal. The manufacturing association has a job to do and it did it. Sometimes manufactures goals will not align with citizens. They would not be doing their job if they didn't try to do this.




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I've bought more than a few guns through TRAP. It's a mistake apparently I shouldn't repeat. I'm shocked that of all people, Mike, you're OK with onerous regulation designed to shut down dealers and deprive citizens of their rights.

Also, you're an idiot if you think that gun companies who offer even tacit approval of anything anti-gun don't suffer. If your agenda is to sell guns, pissing off gun owners isn't a brilliant strategy unless you're just going to focus on .gov sales. It's a strategy that has worked wonders for Colt, which is just about to die and have the corpse stripped for the name.

[Cokebottle]

Wow....
they can forget about my future TRP purchases

This.

I've got a couple of Kimbers and an RIA.
Was considering adding a couple of SA's to the collection, but not now.

[PolishMike]

I've bought more than a few guns through TRAP. It's a mistake apparently I shouldn't repeat. I'm shocked that of all people, Mike, you're OK with onerous regulation designed to shut down dealers and deprive citizens of their rights.



Also, you're an idiot if you think that gun companies who offer even tacit approval of anything anti-gun don't suffer. If your agenda is to sell guns, pissing off gun owners isn't a brilliant strategy unless you're just going to focus on .gov sales. It's a strategy that has worked wonders for Colt, which is just about to die and have the corpse stripped for the name.

Well that's a little drastic. I never said I was ok with the regulations or supported them.

My point is simply that this is how the legislative process works. Different groups lobby for their agendas. The manufactures association was successful, while the NRA and the state 2A groups were not. I think the anger should be put towards those groups that represent you that failed, not the ones that represent someone else and succeeded.


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[Cokebottle]

OK, call me SLOW. I read through and did not get it. What atrocity did Springfield and RRA commit?? In plain folks English please.

They supported a bill that will limit private individuals from transferring more than 9 guns per year.
They did this in exchange for an exemption for Illinois gun manufacturers that did not require them to have a State license in addition to their FFL.

How they don't already have some kind of State license is beyond my comprehension.

[nedro]

I don't see why this is a big deal. The manufacturing association has a job to do and it did it. Sometimes manufactures goals will not align with citizens. They would not be doing their job if they didn't try to do this.




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I regret buying my XDS from you.

[John Browning]

Well that's a little drastic. I never said I was ok with the regulations or supported them.

My point is simply that this is how the legislative process works. Different groups lobby for their agendas. The manufactures association was successful, while the NRA and the state 2A groups were not. I think the anger should be put towards those groups that represent you that failed, not the ones that represent someone else and succeeded.


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Maybe you misspoke. If you "don't see this as a big deal," it implies you don't care which is just as good as supporting it. If you aren't surprised, that's a totally different meaning.

[PolishMike]

Maybe you misspoke. If you "don't see this as a big deal," it implies you don't care which is just as good as supporting it. If you aren't surprised, that's a totally different meaning.

I meant that I don't see this organization succeeded as a big deal. They did their job. Again - the groups that represent citizens failed in this case. That's where the anger should be, and with the Illinois legislature in general. I think anger towards Springfield is misplaced.


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[John Browning]

I meant that I don't see this organization succeeded as a big deal. They did their job. Again - the groups that represent citizens failed in this case. That's where the anger should be, and with the Illinois legislature in general. I think anger towards Springfield is misplaced.


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I totally disagree about the bolded part. You're either with us or against us. There's no room for sunshine patriots and summer soldiers in this fight.

I own Springfield, Inc. firearms. I will never buy another. Let them burn as a company as a warning to others.

[nedro]

Ya, history's been ruff on ol' Benedict also.

[audiophil2]

As soon as I saw the news I instantly banned SA and RRA. Those companies changed their position only after selling gun owners out.

I posted this message to my local customers yesterday:

Due to Springfield Armory and RRA's decision to work with gun grabbers Alphacat Outdoor Supply will no longer sell or transfer any products made by those companies. Even if you do not like these companies or own their products you might want to contact them and let them know that they are siding with politicians that are writing legislation that will one day lead to confiscation. WA already has onerous transfer and selling laws. Nevada passed background checks in 2016. Oregon passed FFL transfer law checks in 2015. CA has required all gun sales and transfers to go through a gun dealer for decades. Now CA upped the laws regarding mental fitness so they are confiscating guns based on potential future crime. These laws have been introduced in AZ already. If we let firearms companies turn against us we will lose.

[John Browning]

As soon as I saw the news I instantly banned SA and RRA. Those companies changed their position only after selling gun owners out.

I posted this message to my local customers yesterday:

Due to Springfield Armory and RRA's decision to work with gun grabbers Alphacat Outdoor Supply will no longer sell or transfer any products made by those companies. Even if you do not like these companies or own their products you might want to contact them and let them know that they are siding with politicians that are writing legislation that will one day lead to confiscation. WA already has onerous transfer and selling laws. Nevada passed background checks in 2016. Oregon passed FFL transfer law checks in 2015. CA has required all gun sales and transfers to go through a gun dealer for decades. Now CA upped the laws regarding mental fitness so they are confiscating guns based on potential future crime. These laws have been introduced in AZ already. If we let firearms companies turn against us we will lose.

You're someone who gets it. Well done.

[squee116]

I totally disagree about the bolded part. You're either with us or against us. There's no room for sunshine patriots and summer soldiers in this fight.

I own Springfield, Inc. firearms. I will never buy another. Let them burn as a company as a warning to others.

How you can stand to use the internet with that mind-set is intriguing.

[ja308]

SA custom shop has treated me wonderfully!
Considering their facility is close to Iowa,I suggest they follow Les Baer to the Davenport area where they can keep their great employees .
It's not like the climate between Illinois and Iowa are different!