Springfield Armory capitulates in Illinois

[Kestryll]

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Today Springfield Armory and Rock River pulled out of the IFMA. More to the point, the CEO of both firms issued statements about the affair, laying out their position in no uncertain terms.

As always in cases like this, it's best to wait a bit and gather all the facts rather than go running off in all directions based on the fevered imagination of a single "pro-gun" writer who had zero knowledge of the actual facts of the situation.

Watching the gunnies here pump out five pages of ill-informed outrage was amusing at best, alarming at worst since it proves we are more than prone to reacting without thinking what we are doing.

So, all you guys who dumped their Springfield Armory and Rock River products in the ocean last weekend to prove how principled, how "pure" you are with the 2A - all you've done is look stupid and show our enemies the best way to attack and divide us.

And we wonder what happened to our rights in California ...

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Wait??

WAIT?!?!

To hell with waiting for facts and data I'm pissed off, emoting and have already ordered my pitchfork, tar and feathers from Amazon Prime!!!

[socal147]

I'll take an M1a off anyone's hands with a steep price cut.

I have one listed for $1400 ...
For you I would go $1600.

[Tere_Hanges]

I'll take an M1a off anyone's hands with a steep price cut to keep you from being in cahoots with Springfield. I'd prefer a scout in tan but any one is fine. I'm too far down the rabbit hole my handguns are Springfields and 3/4 of my ar uppers are RRA so if it was up you you guys I'd be going to hell.

Same here. I'll gladly accept any M1As and 1911s that people want to get rid of because Murica!

Seriously, gun rights in blue states are history, its only a matter of time till we are turned into criminals and left with nothing. Getting worked up about this is a waste of energy. Its just an inevitability.

So SA goes out of business, then what? Less guns available on the handgun roster? One less featureless semiauto battle rifle? For what? So you can pound your chest and act like your opinion matters? The more butthurt you are the more enjoyment you give the libtard politicians who come up with these crap laws. Bunch of self defeating do nothing blowhards here. Channel your energy towards the politicians that come up with these dumb laws instead of trying to kill off another gun manufacturer. Geez you guys are doing their job for them, idiots

Personal attacks are prohibited, so knock it off. Otherwise, you will be taking a leave from here.
retired

[socal147]

I have one listed for $1400 ... hours
For you I would go $1600.

Lightcav ~ Same offer
Lightcav
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So SA goes out of business, then what? Less guns available on the handgun roster? One less featureless semiauto battle rifle? For what? So you can pound your chest and act like your opinion matters? The more butthurt you are the more enjoyment you give the libtard politicians who come up with these crap laws. Bunch of self defeating do nothing blowhards here.

You can always bailout bro ...

[Tere_Hanges]

Lightcav ~ Same offer

I have an even better offer: $500, I kick you in the pants, and we call it even. A good swift kick to your nuts that opens your eyes wide enough to see reality is worth at least $2,000. Hey, youre getting a heck of a bargain.

BTW, this is a joke, so dont get all butthurt.

[socal147]

I have an even better offer: $500, I kick you in the pants, and we call it even. A good swift kick to your nuts that opens your eyes wide enough to see reality is worth at least $2,000. Hey, youre getting a heck of a bargain.

BTW, this is a joke, so dont get all butthurt.

Don't worry, I take it as such ....

The bailout option is always available ~ blowhards, idiots, and all ...

[Baboosh]

Please read everything before making judgments.

We have all donated to an organization to only find out our money did not go where we thought or hoped it would.

[Tere_Hanges]

Don't worry, I take it as such ....

The bailout option is always available ~ blowhards, idiots, and all ...

Umm... yeah... ok "bro", thanks for letting me know.

[socal147]

Umm... yeah... ok "bro", thanks for letting me know.

No problem

[kcheung2]

The people that are pushing back against the boycott are missing the point. There's no indignant virtue signaling, no one is dumping their existing Springfields into the ocean, and I doubt there will be many people selling their M1a's at a steep discount because of this.

There is indeed outrage, but that's a good thing. It forces change. The example of Ruger, S&W, etc are always trotted out and how a boycott did nothing. On the contrary, it did exactly what the boycotters wanted. Realistically no one wanted those companies to go out of business. Everybody likes having more gun companies, and they certainly didn't want the average workerbee at those companies losing their jobs. What they did want was for the person responsible to go. And really the only way to do that is to hurt them on the sales side.

And in the end the boycotters/protestors got what they wanted. They got new management, they got the company to support their customer's causes, and they got the entire industry to understand that being on the other side of 2A is going to hurt business.

Kinda like United Airlines, after all the "go to hell" outrage, realistically people didn't want them to go out of business, they just wanted the airline to treat their customers better. And maybe get a new CEO. Policy change is already in place, the CEO change is an unfolding saga.

To circle back to SAI, the outrage did get positive results. If I take Reese's statements at face value, he didn't know all the nuances of the bill, but I'm sure he's really paying attention to it now. It's too late to change the vote, but it still has to pass another vote and I'm sure he'll argue vigorously against it this time. It's also a reminder to other CEOs in the industry that they can't be complacent about upcoming laws, and that not resisting them can really upset their customer base.

I would say that these results are not a waste of energy, and that it does not show how divided we are; rather it shows that the gun-buying public is a mostly united bloc (certainly vocal) and a reminder to companies that they need to support 2A issues because it's an important issue for their customers.

[Kestryll]

Please read everything before making judgments.

We have all donated to an organization to only find out our money did not go where we thought or hoped it would.

Seriously, if someone is outraged at Springfield and RRA for the donations made by IFMA and they are a Union member then they are just as 'guilty' as Springfield and RRA.

[Tere_Hanges]

So Springfield and Rock River go out of business not because liberal politicians put them out of business but because 2A advocates boycotted them out? Hmm... makes a lot of sense. Either the gungrabbers are geniuses or the so called molon labe crowd are idiots. Dont do their job for them, dummies. Pick your battles and think with your brain not your emotions. For a bunch of so called tough guys a lot of you have pretty thin skin.

[Baboosh]

Seriously, if someone is outraged at Springfield and RRA for the donations made by IFMA and they are a Union member then they are just as 'guilty' as Springfield and RRA.

Don't get me started on that.

[socal147]

+1 kchueng

[readysetgo]

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Today Springfield Armory and Rock River pulled out of the IFMA. More to the point, the CEO of both firms issued statements about the affair, laying out their position in no uncertain terms.

As always in cases like this, it's best to wait a bit and gather all the facts rather than go running off in all directions based on the fevered imagination of a single "pro-gun" writer who had zero knowledge of the actual facts of the situation.

Watching the gunnies here pump out five pages of ill-informed outrage was amusing at best, alarming at worst since it proves we are more than prone to reacting without thinking what we are doing.

So, all you guys who dumped their Springfield Armory and Rock River products in the ocean last weekend to prove how principled, how "pure" you are with the 2A - all you've done is look stupid and show our enemies the best way to attack and divide us.

And we wonder what happened to our rights in California ...

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Thank you! Merits repeating.

I think people are hard pressed when discussing topics to seperate out the "ideal or philosophy or big picture" of a thing with the "specifics, individual or macro" of the same thing.

If we're talking "ideals" in regards to anti-gun control, yup, hard line, not in inch, no backing down, ever, period.

But as I said in a conversation with someone about this story, "Well, this is kind of a specific accusation lacking...specifics! We should figure out what really happened before we react."

Alls well that ends well, I guess. I'm glad the two companies came out on the record against this legislation. I hope the writers of these types of stories will do a little more due diligence in the future before getting tensed, stresed out firearms owners all riled up.