Best training available

[russ69]

I might be too old and fat for that now

Old and fat with a pistol? NRA bullseye competition, you'll learn fast.

[Bigtls1]

I'm headed there next month. Hoping to learn much from Ron Avery

Best training, hands down, is here.

https://www.tacticalperformancecenter.com

[tanks]

I'm headed there next month. Hoping to learn much from Ron Avery

You will. I'll see you there. I will be there for 10 days, training.

[Mayor McRifle]

This would have been gtg if it was closer. Frontsight also has a membership deal that doesn't make sense but seems to have classes for everyone.

So where are you located?

[Mayor McRifle]

Not all "training" is equal . . .

https://youtu.be/_l5M59EL_Ac

[M1sterE]

An hour and a half out of Vegas. Some of the suggestions like Gunsight are even further away.

Plus 10 hours from sac

[M1sterE]

So where are you located?

NorCal

[Mayor McRifle]

Plus 10 hours from sac

NorCal

If you're in Sacramento (hard to tell), check out Gray Ops: http://www.gofast1.com

[tawadc95]

I finally figured out how to register today, my iPad wouldn't allow it, the computer would so this is my first post.

I spent a day in Nov, 2016, Sacramento area with Josh Jackson of LMS Defense.

LMS has a pretty extensive schedule in Nor Cal and Reno.

I had both the most fun day shooting I have ever experienced and walked away discouraged at the same time. Josh exposed my poor handling skills something fierce, in a very positive and constructive manor and gave me plenty to work on and shooting has been a blast like never before since.

I've always been afraid to stretch myself because missing and poor grouping were a waste of ammo. I walked away learning bad shooting isn't a waste, it is an indication of what needs honing and or learning, that is hardly a waste of ammo. Corny way to put this but I was set free to start learning.

The other 9 people there had equally a great learning experience, two of which are my daughters!

I'll be doing the LMS Zero Distance Pistol this fall, pretty excited.

[hambam105]

For non LEO, the travel money & time spent with Ron Avery would be well spent, judging from RA's own shooting ability as well as about a dozen of his students I've seen on the range.

[M1sterE]

Thanks for the tips. How did you guys know they were any good or how did you select that class?

[tanks]

Thanks for the tips. How did you guys know they were any good or how did you select that class?

Research and recommendations. I discovered Tactical Performance Center a year ago and bought their VIP membership with a friend which gives me unlimited access to their 3 day bootcamps. I have been there 12 times so far for 36 days of training in the past year.

[Stan08]

Originally Posted by RandyD View Post
.... The idea of paying someone to teach me how to shoot is a foreign concept. Shooting is fun. There is trial and error, but your errors are learning experiences.

Trial and error is one way to do it. Its also an expensive and time consuming way too. When a student takes a class (lets use a Rifle 101 for example) its not just a Rifle 101 but it's the 50th Rifle 101 I have taught plus my prior experience and I see the same trends, habits, assumptions, misconceptions, good stuff and bad stuff.

*Vertical Stringing? Bad breathing technique.
*Commercial spec buffer retaining pin with military spec tube? Pin flew out
*Data/DOPE for irons, EO Tech, Aimpoint, ACOGs? Got all that on my chart.
*Sling keeps getting in the way? Get rid of that ring thing.
Etc., Etc.,

Even after the costs of the class a student will have saved a lot of time and money versus trial and error and unless you want to drive to the open desert (gas and time) you can't do many things at the public range versus a class.

[chuckdc]

Actually, modern autoloading pistols are much more reliable then the ones of ye-olden-times.

Back before computer controlled manufacturing, guns were all made by exclusively by hand. The small tolerances in pistols like the 1911 meant that many pistols were finicky. You'll find references to this in the police publications when they discussed the idea of switching from revolvers to the 1911 in the 70s.

It took Gaston Glock both significantly undercutting the revolver manufacturers and also using new computer-controlled manufacturing to get the reliability up to get law enforcement to switch off the revolvers.

The military did issue the 1911, however they issued primarily rifles. You'll find many examples of expert pistol marksman in the military preferring revolvers over the 1911 for reliability reasons. It's interesting to see that this practice has completely gone away now that the modern 1911s are made on CNC machines.

The reason malfunctions are taught in modern classes is that a malfunction is a thing that happens occasionally. It's a good practice to know what to do about them when they happen.

Sorry, but you're incorrect. Law enforcement was already switching in quantity to Semi-auto pistols well before the Glock was even introduced. The first truly common LE semi-autos were the Smith and Wesson 39 and 59s, which became common in LE use in the 1970s. They were followed by the 459/659 and 645 (Second Generation) Smiths, which were also accepted and common before the Glock was out. The Glock was not commercially imported into the US until 1985/6, and was not common until after they started producing them here shortly after that. Even then, it took a bit for them to gain LE acceptance. By that time, the SIG and Beretta pistols were ALSO being commonly used by LE. The Beretta picked up steam after its acceptance by the DoD. The SIGs were used by a lot of Federal agencies.