Hexmag Series 2

[Barang]

I have Pmags & Promags short 10 rounds and Hexmag for cool factor and it's fine.

[TheZouave]

Given that you would need additional parts for the mag to accept more than 10 rounds, I'd argue they comply just fine. As built, they did not have the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds. If you duct taped a bunch of 10 round mags together, and got a longer spring, you could make it accept more than 10 rounds... Therefore, under your reasoning, they don't comply. Anything can be modified to accept more, but as built, with the parts at hand, a 10/30 should be fine. You do not have parts available that would allow it to feed more than 10 rounds, and those parts would be building an entirely new mag.

[HawkMan]

Are you saying that Hexmag 10/30's are legal under PC 16740?

You are playing word games. The real purpose of my post is to discourage purchase of 10/20 10/30 magazines from manufacturers that have not welded, or expoxied and or riveted them shut (some manufacturers are now offering them with those modifications, which is good), OR do it yourself or have it done for you.

If one wants to periodically clean their magazines by disassembling them, the route I would suggest is to just grit one's teeth and settle for the 'stubby' 10 round magazines that were designed, configured and manufactured to hold only 10 rounds.

With your logic, those riveted mags are illegal too... you could drill out the rivet. The law says that high capacity magazines are illegal, unless permanently altered to accept no more than 10 rounds.

The issue with your logic is that you have it backwards. The hexmag 10/30 magazine does not need to be altered to accept less than 10 rounds as it was designed to accept no more than 10. It's not a high capacity magazine; therefore, it does not need to be altered.

Your logic is the same as saying that everyone with an AR 15 owns a machine gun because it's possible to convert it into one.

[Jimi Jah]

No more 10/20's or 10/30's for me. Too many looks, too many questions to bother with those. I prefer to be ignored.

[ifilef]

With your logic, those riveted mags are illegal too... you could drill out the rivet. The law says that high capacity magazines are illegal, unless permanently altered to accept no more than 10 rounds.

The issue with your logic is that you have it backwards. The hexmag 10/30 magazine does not need to be altered to accept less than 10 rounds as it was designed to accept no more than 10. It's not a high capacity magazine; therefore, it does not need to be altered.

Your logic is the same as saying that everyone with an AR 15 owns a machine gun because it's possible to convert it into one.

There's no law against owning a semi-auto AR-15 under specified conditions. There is a law against possessing high capacity magazines, unless they are from prior to the year 2000.

What do you think is the intent of the statute PC 16740? Imagine yourself a member of the legislature who was on committee and voted for it. If you are incapable of doing that, then read PC 30505 for expressly stated legislative intent, as well as 30515.

What was the intent of PC 32310 as amended. That was an initiative passed by the People of the State of California last year. I can't blame the legislature for that one.

[HawkMan]

There's no law against owning a semi-auto AR-15 under specified conditions. There is a law against possessing high capacity magazines, unless they are from prior to the year 2000.

What do you think is the intent of the statute PC 16740? Imagine yourself a member of the legislature who was on committee and voted for it.

What was the intent of PC 32310 as amended. That was an initiative passed by the People of the State of California last year. I can't blame the legislature for that one.

There's no law against owning a 10 round magazine, which by design, the Hexmag 10/30 is.

PC 16740 deals with "large-capacity magazines" and is irrelevant to the Hexmag 10/30 magazines.
PC 16740 (a) specifically targets "large-capacity magazines" and calls for them to be permanently altered to not accept more than 10 rounds.

For PC 16740 to apply, the Hexmag in question would need to be a "large-capacity magazine" and then it would call for the magzine to be permanently altered.
The fact that the Hexmag 10/30 is by design a 10 round magazine, means that it has never been a "large-capacity magazine." Therefore it doesn't need to be altered.


PC 32310 is the only thing which could apply; however, it would only apply if a person manufactured a "large-capacity magazine" from the parts.

[ifilef]

There's no law against owning a 10 round magazine, which by design, the Hexmag 10/30 is.

PC 16740 deals with "large-capacity magazines" and is irrelevant to the Hexmag 10/30 magazines.
PC 16740 (a) specifically targets "large-capacity magazines" and calls for them to be permanently altered to not accept more than 10 rounds.

For PC 16740 to apply, the Hexmag in question would need to be a "large-capacity magazine" and then it would call for the magzine to be permanently altered.
The fact that the Hexmag 10/30 is by design a 10 round magazine, means that it has never been a "large-capacity magazine." Therefore it doesn't need to be altered.


PC 32310 is the only thing which could apply; however, it would only apply if a person manufactured a "large-capacity magazine" from the parts.

My view is that if the ammunition feeding device has, in the words of the statute, the CAPACITY to accept more than 10 rounds then it must be permanently altered to hold no more than 10 rounds.

That's why 'stubby' or short magazines do not have to be altered, and why Hexmag or any other manufacturer of 10/30, etc. mags have to be 'permanently altered' to accept no more than 10 rounds. Why? Because the body does have the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds. If you don't understand that basic concept, there is no reason to discuss further and we'd be going in circles.

Using your reasoning, a magazine body that could hold 50 or 100 rounds but was blocked to 10 rounds would not have to be permanently altered to accept no more than 10 rounds. That's illogical and contrary to the statute.

[meanrock]

Had issues with series 1 mags seating and staying seated. Emailed them, and they sent me a series 2 mag for each of my series 1s and let me keep those too! Thumbs up for the series 2 mags, 1k+ rounds with no issues.

[ifilef]

Had issues with series 1 mags seating and staying seated. Emailed them, and they sent me a series 2 mag for each of my series 1s and let me keep those too! Thumbs up for the series 2 mags, 1k+ rounds with no issues.

Were the issues you were having related to whether the bolt was closed or open?

Number of rounds in the mags?

[Fox Mulder]

How is that 'permanently altered' if you can readily remove the baseplate and gain access to the contents of the magazine so that you can then substitute a different spring, remove the blocking mechanism, and make it into a LCM?

Did you read the withdrawn LCM regs to get an idea of how DOJ would likely interpret 'permanently altered'?

PERMANENTLY ALTERED ONLY APPLIES TO MAGAZINES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY MANUFACTURED TO HOLD MORE THAN 10 ROUNDS AND THEN WERE LATER BLOCKED TO 10 ROUNDS OR LESS. THESE MAGAZINES, JUST LIKE 10 ROUND GLOCK 17 MAGS, WERE NEVER MANUFACTURED TO HOLD MORE THAN 10 ROUNDS. THE LENGTH IF THE MAGAZINE BODY =/= THE MANUFACTURED CAPACITY.

[ifilef]

The purpose of the statute, the legislative intent, is to frustrate/prevent/dissuade people from having the ability to convert a 10/30 blocked magazine into a 30 round magazine, or into one greater than 10 rounds.

That is how 'permanently altered to accept no more than 10 rounds' arose.

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[heidad01]

Oh geez. Who knows what the real intent was.

As a side note, any one with an IQ over 80 and access to a semi tooled shop can alter a mag to be something else.

[vliberatore]

Oh geez. Who knows what the real intent was.

As a side note, any one with an IQ over 80 and access to a semi tooled shop can alter a mag to be something else.

Is that why ifilef thinks a rivet is permanent?

[HawkMan]

Is that why ifilef thinks a rivet is permanent?

Oh geez. Who knows what the real intent was.

As a side note, any one with an IQ over 80 and access to a semi tooled shop can alter a mag to be something else.

Even with magazines that have been epoxied, there are epoxy solvents.

I have a lot of the 10 round stubby PMAG's and I'm sure if someone wanted to they could also alter it to fit 11 rounds.

[teetsjones]

The purpose of the statute, the legislative intent, is to prevent people from having the ability to convert a 10/30 blocked magazine into a 30 round magazine, or into one greater than 10 rounds.

That is how 'permanently altered to accept no more than 10 rounds' arose.

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