Let's talk 5.7x28mm

[RJ Herle]

when I think 5.7, I think 22mag

FN factory ammunition has 20% more energy when fired from a 5" BBL than .22 mag when fired from a 26" BBL.

Ours has between 60% and 80% additional energy over .22 mag (fired from a 26" BBL) when fired from the Five-seveN pistol.

[RJ Herle]

RJ, is there any chance that EA is looking into producing heavier match bullets for the 5.56mm caliber?

There are no commercial producers of '5.56 NATO' ammunition. 5.56 NATO exceeds SAAMI pressure guidelines, and no insurer in the US will indemnify a manufacturer who makes, or reloads, to 5.56 NATO standards. Not to mention that there are no commercial dies manufactured. .223 Remington is the commercial equivelant, but do NOT confuse the two, as they are completely different cartridges.

5.56 NATO has a thicker brass case, reducing internal volume and increasing pressure (this is good for durability of the cartridge and to ensure full and complete powder combustion in a range of tempatures and climates), and a longer neck. SAAMI lists 5.56 NATO as being "UNSAFE when used in a .223 chamber." I agree. Pressures spike dramatically when the neck of the brass is crammed into the leade of the chamber, and I've seen several AR KB's due to using NATO ammunition in a Remington chamber.

Anyway, that has nothing to do with this conversation. I just thought I'd throw that out there.

Yes, we regularly load heavy match bullets into .223 remington cases. Quotes are individual, based upon that days materials cost, and have a minimum order requirement of 1,000 rounds.

As with anything we manufacture, we have a 100% guarantee. If you're not satisfied, we buy back the unused portion.

[trinydex]

http://www.eliteammunition.com/productDisplay.php?id=EA223M

that's a pretty good price for match ammo... 29.45 for shipping.

[xxxx]

What's the point of having the discussion, when you deliberately constrain the parameters to get teh answers you want?

AND the discussion is equally useless because WE are stuck in CA and with its crappy laws. So fapping about the short bbl does us no good. Might even get phlebitis.

Are you slow or something? As far as I know this is the most comprehensive thread on CalGuns documenting 5.7x28mm data. Being that I own a 5.7x28mm firearm I am personally interested.

I wanted unbiased, objective opinions, and data - what would give you the idea otherwise?

Okay - if you want to label this discussion 'useless' then get out. Because many others, including my self have found this discussion to be very informative. And just so we're clear - not all of us are "stuck" in CA - I live there but many of us have homes out of state. And even if we don't it's still interesting to track the progress of this pretty new and "unproven" round - much more informative then discussing best way to kill zombies.

And for the rest of you, remember this is just a round. Not your child. If someone is saying, "I don't like it" no big deal. No need for anyone to get defensive or aggressive, this is an intellectual discussion (despite what some members try to turn it into). Steele down.

[6172crew]

Lets take it easy in here guys.

On a side note I have a SBR'd Ps90. The barrel is like 10.3 inches, is there a certain load I should look for? I have been saving 195-197 which one works best for hunting? Dont laugh but I was thinking about pig hunting with it.

[dac41]

I was into this pistol a few years ago but then wisened up and went with a glock for my first buy. Never realized the bullets can be made with .223 components , I mean hell yes let's load those ss192s as fast as we can! Damn! I figured it was its own bullet.

So now when this thing sounds interesting I see the pistols are selling for 950-1250. Were they discontinued? I could swear they were no more than 850, only two years ago.

The AR uppers look amazing and with elite ammo around I could definitely see picking up the upper and some 50 rounders.

[razorx]

Without Ryan producing custom 5.7 ammo, this would barely be more than a novelty. I have personally chrono'd 2450 fps avg out of my five-seven for the Super-Raptor load.

[RJ Herle]

Lets take it easy in here guys.

On a side note I have a SBR'd Ps90. The barrel is like 10.3 inches, is there a certain load I should look for? I have been saving 195-197 which one works best for hunting? Dont laugh but I was thinking about pig hunting with it.

Lots of people hunt hogs with the pistol and carbine. You're not alone.

[RJ Herle]

Without Ryan producing custom 5.7 ammo, this would barely be more than a novelty. I have personally chrono'd 2450 fps avg out of my five-seven for the Super-Raptor load.

Our new RapTOR loading chrono's at just under 2,600 fps from the pistol.

[Zesty]

^Damn that's smoking

I'm extremely interested in buying some of this Elite Ammunition to try out. Is there any data out there as to what pressures these loads are running at? I assume they are all safe, just curious. Thanks.

[rayra]

Are you slow or something? As far as I know this is the most comprehensive thread on CalGuns documenting 5.7x28mm data. Being that I own a 5.7x28mm firearm I am personally interested.

I wanted unbiased, objective opinions, and data - what would give you the idea otherwise?

Okay - if you want to label this discussion 'useless' then get out. Because many others, including my self have found this discussion to be very informative. And just so we're clear - not all of us are "stuck" in CA - I live there but many of us have homes out of state. And even if we don't it's still interesting to track the progress of this pretty new and "unproven" round - much more informative then discussing best way to kill zombies.

And for the rest of you, remember this is just a round. Not your child. If someone is saying, "I don't like it" no big deal. No need for anyone to get defensive or aggressive, this is an intellectual discussion (despite what some members try to turn it into). Steele down.

Well since you sent me some bait via PM, here I am.

My original points stand. The circumcision of the discussion by the OP deliberately craps on the very issues that are of primary concern on CALguns. If somebody wants to slobber all over this arm and cartridge, whose best aspects are UNAVAILABLE to us in CA, there are plenty of other forums out there to discuss it on. Not only that, but forums dedicated to it.

What the OP did is akin to somebody going to a F-Body forum and demanding to talk about ricers.

So enjoy masturbating about a barrel length and ammo we can't legally have in CA, but don't send me bull**** PMs about it.

[RJ Herle]

All the data 'out there' comes from our test BBL. Our BBL shows us a pressure of 48,000 psi, +-. The FN BBL is rated for 50,000 psi nominal. We had to run pressure up to 105,000 to rupture the BBL.

[RJ Herle]

My original points stand...So enjoy masturbating about a barrel length and ammo we can't legally have in CA, but don't send me bull**** PMs about it.

I'm inclined to believe that you didn't read, or understand, the point of the conversation. THe OP asked about people's opinion as to the effectiveness of the cartridge.

And where you get the idea that you can't get our ammunition in California is beyond me.

It looks as though you're a pilot. I think I recognize the hills surrounding Edwards in your photo. I would think that a pilot would have the critical thinking skills to thoroughly understand the topic of the conversation before jumping in with the attitude that you did.

Although, knowing pilots the way I do, and especially test pilots, cockyness usually is their dominant personality trait, so I really shouldn't be surprised...

Yeah, your message raised my hackles.

[xxxx]

Well since you sent me some bait via PM, here I am.

My original points stand. The circumcision of the discussion by the OP deliberately craps on the very issues that are of primary concern on CALguns. If somebody wants to slobber all over this arm and cartridge, whose best aspects are UNAVAILABLE to us in CA, there are plenty of other forums out there to discuss it on. Not only that, but forums dedicated to it.

What the OP did is akin to somebody going to a F-Body forum and demanding to talk about ricers.

So enjoy masturbating about a barrel length and ammo we can't legally have in CA, but don't send me bull**** PMs about it.

For the sake of argument lets not include CA gun laws in this topic due to the fact that someone will stand up and say, "YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THEN 10 ROUNDS!" or bash on the platform because it is not CA compliant

My first post - I PMed you because you were "thread crapping" - you have nothing to contribute and you're making ridiculous statements, I wanted to alert you that I took offense to your public statements. I think you should be reprimanded for your posts, there is no need to add vulgarity into a discussion about the effectiveness (or lack their of) of a round. Out of respect for people who want to gain more knowledge/opinions/data of the 5.7x28mm round I ask you not to post in this thread again.

[RJ Herle]

He won't be posting on this forum again... He's been banned.