.45 ACP or 10mm?

[XCC_RIDER]

Did I miss it or did the OP ever say what the intended use was for the cartridges?
Seems to me any suggestion made without considering the intended use is not useful info.

Sorry if I missed it. I tend to skim thru these opinion based threads.

[CandG]

Did I miss it or did the OP ever say what the intended use was for the cartridges?
Seems to me any suggestion made without considering the intended use is not useful info.

Sorry if I missed it. I tend to skim thru these opinion based threads.

Nope he didn't say, so naturally we all made our own assumptions that he's using it for bear hunting

[KahrMan]

Whatever happened to 9.6mm?

9x25 is awesome but you need a long barrel.

Still occasionally see .30 Carbine pistols out there for sale.

I remember those!

[KahrMan]

Pretty much:

That is funny

[BigPimping]

I need a Glock 21 and a conversion kit. I want The Best of Both Worlds

[husdat]

My biggest concern is economy and value. So it looks like the 10mm wins the argument.

I can see many Glockers here. I just cant see how I could trust plastic with such power. Will definitely stick with Sig in this case.

As for owning multiple calibers, I guess I will stay metric and have 9mm and 10mm. It seems like an optimal solution to me (heavy weight on economy and value, again).

[CandG]

My biggest concern is economy and value. So it looks like the 10mm wins the argument.

Economically, 45acp is the same price or cheaper in almost all cases. But value is subjective. I value 10mm higher than 45acp, but not everyone does.

I can see many Glockers here. I just cant see how I could trust plastic with such power. Will definitely stick with Sig in this case.

Common misconception. Glocks are every bit as durable with 45acp and 10mm as all-metal guns. Arguably, perhaps even more durable due to the frame having some "give". You can easily get 20-40k rounds out of the life of a Glock in any caliber, and the first parts to wear out aren't even the frame. That's $10-40k worth of ammo - by the time you've fired that many rounds you can justify buying a new $600 gun I've never heard of any Glock frame ever breaking that wasn't directly the result of dropping it, a squib, or a bad handloaded round. Maybe it's happened, but it's rare enough that it shouldn't be a concern.

People love to call these guns "plastic" in a derogatory manner, but the truth is that it's a complex polymer that is 100% designed for use in a firearm. We're not talking about the cheap chinese plastic they use for making airsoft guns. Trust me, I wouldn't be carrying my G29 10mm everyday w/ full-power Underwood loads if I had any concern my frame would break when I used it.

PMAG's and Glocks are taking over the military and LE market, replace their metal counterparts, for a reason. It's lighter, and no less durable. Often more durable. Incidentally, usually less expensive as well. Although polymer is undoubtedly less pretty, no argument here on that one.

All-metal guns are awesome, and they're never going to get completely replaced by polymer frames. There will always be people, including myself, that want all-metal guns for certain things. People mistakenly believe that so many people choose to carry Glocks over metal-framed guns because of budget, but that's simply not true - look how many people are buying off-roster Glocks for twice the MSRP, and not even thinking twice about it.

Also, the reason you see so many "glockers" in your 10mm thread, is because Glock has perhaps mastered the art of the 10mm better than any other handgun manufacturer. They really knocked the ball out of the park with their 10mm lineup. They are every bit as reliable, accurate, and comfortable as their smaller-caliber brethren.

As for owning multiple calibers, I guess I will stay metric and have 9mm and 10mm. It seems like an optimal solution to me (heavy weight on economy and value, again).

That's as good of an idea as any My handgun cartridges are 9mm, 10mm, and 45acp, and I'm trying to avoid buying anything new that isn't one of those 3, if I can avoid it. At any rate, unless you're a collector, I'm a big believer in not needing a gazillion different cartridges for my guns. I do the same with rifles - they are all 5.56, .308, 30-06, and shotguns are 12ga. There are of course a few oddballs in my collection, but for the most part I try to stick with the most common calibers for everything.

[husdat]

Somebody stated that round count is 2500 with the 10mm. That seems terribly low. Any idea what is really is with the P220 10mm?

^ Owning as few calibers as possible is part of the economy stated.

^ I plan to have 5.56 and .308 for rifles. If I want further reach, I guess it would be .338 or .408. I will skip 30-06. Anyways, that is very unlikely to happen.

[CandG]

Somebody stated that round count is 2500 with the 10mm. That seems terribly low.

That is terribly low, I'm curious where they came up with that number. Unless you got a defective pistol, you can get at least 10x that with a Glock, same with Sig.

ETA: They are probably referring to the recoil spring getting worn out after 2500-5000 rounds in a 10mm. That might be true. But it would be equally true for any other brand pistol, too. And besides, it's a $20 part - I'd hardly call a pistol that needs a new recoil spring "ruined". Would you trade cars whenever your brake pads start to wear out?

[Sailormilan2]

There is a greater variety and availability of 45acp ammo, than there is 10mm ammo.
Most 10mm ammo made by the big name ammo manufacturers is downloaded so that it's not much better than 40S&W. For really good stuff you want the ammo made by Buffalo Bore and Underwood.
As for the gun type. Since I prefer the 191, I set up my 1911 45acp so I can go to 40S&W and 10mm by changing the slide and barrel.

[teflondog]

I think of 10mm as the semi-automatic version of .357 magnum. I would carry it with full power loads in bear country. For everything else I prefer .45 acp because of less recoil and muzzle blast.

[CandG]

I think of 10mm as the semi-automatic version of .357 magnum.

That's pretty accurate. They have comparable muzzle energy. Some have also compared it to .41mag.

Some have even tried comparing it to 44mag, and as much as I'd love for that to be true, it's not But neither is any other common handgun cartridge.

There is a greater variety and availability of 45acp ammo, than there is 10mm ammo.
Most 10mm ammo made by the big name ammo manufacturers is downloaded so that it's not much better than 40S&W. For really good stuff you want the ammo made by Buffalo Bore and Underwood.

All that is accurate, as well. Most 10mm isn't much better than .40s&w. Underwood, BB, and DoubleTap are the only three companies I know of who make proper 10mm loads. Underwood is my go-to, I really don't buy handgun ammo (10mm or otherwise) from anywhere else anymore.

Note that 10mm bullets are identical to .40s&w bullets. That doesn't help you when you're shopping for factory ammo, but if you start reloading at home, you just use .40s&w bullets which are plentiful and cheap - the only hard part is getting the 10mm brass.

[Tere_Hanges]

Still not .500 S&W...

[Dago Red]

Why not buy a 10? You can shoot 40 in it too. I have a buddy doing it with a kimber (because we love in Cali and our limitations. ******* lawmakers).

45's are awesome. I love mine. I'd get a 10 as an extra gun and more for fun than "combat". If I have more range I'll use a rifle. If I hunt I use a rifle. Handguns for me are for two legged targets at closer range.

I want a 10 now

Red

[ar15robert]

but if you start reloading at home, you just use .40s&w bullets which are plentiful and cheap - the only hard part is getting the 10mm brass.

Yup the brass is the hard part easy to find new but recovering your own brass doesnt always go so well as there is always pieces i miss.As for 45 seems like everyone in my group shoots it so that is very plentiful for me and they dont reload.