Compliance from another angle

[Justinoff]

CA laws allows a firearm that is deemed to be an assault weapon to be rendered permanently inoperable in order to remain CA legal.



Permanently inoperable has not been fully defined under CA laws/regulations, but for the most part it means destroyed per BATFE specifications.



However, some people also look at it as meaning the way it function. So, making a semi-auto permanently inoperable would comply.

Example...

On a semi-auto firearm that operates via direct impingement gas system; would need to remove the gas tube and remove or plug the gas block and/or replace the barrel with one that is not tapped for a gas system.



Since your solution does not make the semi-auto operation "permanently inoperable", it could be considered a "broken" assault weapon because it can be readily restored into a semi-auto.



In the past, there has been arrest & conviction of person possessing a "broken" assault weapon (restricted featured non-functional semi-auto rifle with parts to make it functional stored nearby).

Thank you. Your response is noted and appreciated. Seems like a 5% compliance in NY and 15% in CT would motivate Sacramento to allow such an option.


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[colossians323]

I'm just curious what all your thoughts are on this.

As I understand it the new laws pertain to semi auto rifles. I'm curious if drilling a 9mm ish deep hole on the top of the receiver under the bolt catch and installing a small spring (like the disconnector spring from a FCG) and a plunger under the bolt catch to push the catch up, would this not make the rifle a single shot since I'd have to manually drop the bolt to chamber the next round?
Some of my receivers have an ambi bolt release built in making the process tolerable I guess I'd call it vs the alternative.

I'm not trying to cheat the law by any means only to work within the perimeters as stated by the DOJ.

It's just a though but I'd like to know your input.

Thanks!




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Why are we taking it to this level? The bullet button was bad enough (glad to see may 1000's bought more AR's), but gun ownership should not be us jumping through a bunch of hoops to satisfy the state when federally this is supposed to be a protected right

[Justinoff]

Why are we taking it to this level? The bullet button was bad enough (glad to see may 1000's bought more AR's), but gun ownership should not be us jumping through a bunch of hoops to satisfy the state when federally this is supposed to be a protected right

I don't disagree. I'm with you 100%. But we are having this conversation here in hopes in having to not take this issue to court. And by that I mean the issue taking us to court as a defendant. I personally don't want that.


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[mif_slim]

It wasnt true until DOJ saw a topic written at 12:36 on Dec 17, 2016.

[Fox Mulder]

At this point I'd just pull the gas tube flip the gas block hand cycle for a majority of my AR's that will live in my safe. Re install the gas tube in case SHTF. Go featureless on the one I shoot the most. [emoji20]


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Just install the Franklin Armory DFM. It's super simple, and creates a true fixed mag build. I installed a couple last night, no biggie. The best part is you can put a regular mag release in the gun, and the mag still isn't going anywhere if you push the release with the receiver closed.

I installed mine with the regular bolt catch, so there's absolutely no way it's anything other than a fixed magazine. Perfect solution for those rifles that are basically in storage, that rarely, if ever get shot.

[Justinoff]

Just install the Franklin Armory DFM. It's super simple, and creates a true fixed mag build. I installed a couple last night, no biggie. The best part is you can put a regular mag release in the gun, and the mag still isn't going anywhere if you push the release with the receiver closed.



I installed mine with the regular bolt catch, so there's absolutely no way it's anything other than a fixed magazine. Perfect solution for those rifles that are basically in storage, that rarely, if ever get shot.

Good luck clearing a malfunction!


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[Fox Mulder]

Good luck clearing a malfunction!


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I'd just pull the baseplate, and dump the spring, follower, and ammo out the bottom. Wouldn't work for every malfunction, but like I said these rifles are basically in storage.

There are different solutions for the ones that get shot, including, for me, RAWs. For AR's it's a $45 piece of aluminum you're registering, I can afford to register a couple. If the day ever comes that they demand they are surrendered they'll get a couple $45 pieces of aluminum.

And of course featureless as well.


Don't put all your eggs in one basket as the saying goes.

[Justinoff]

I'd just pull the baseplate, and dump the spring, follower, and ammo out the bottom. Wouldn't work for every malfunction, but like I said these rifles are basically in storage.



There are different solutions for the ones that get shot, including, for me, RAWs. For AR's it's a $45 piece of aluminum you're registering, I can afford to register a couple. If the day ever comes that they demand they are surrendered they'll get a couple $45 pieces of aluminum.



And of course featureless as well.





Don't put all your eggs in one basket as the saying goes.

I hear you. I'd still rather just put a plunger under my bolt and call it a single shot.


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[Fox Mulder]

I hear you. I'd still rather just put a plunger under my bolt and call it a single shot.


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The issue with that has been pointed out though, as all you'd have to do is hold the bolt catch down and it's semi auto again. Might have some legal issues with that. I think modifying the upper is a better way to get to semi auto. A side charger with no gas port drilled in the barrel would be pretty nice.

I think the issue is you're looking for a way to make it bolt action/single shot that would be easily reversed if you went out of state, or the SHTF, or whatever. The problem there is convincing a cop, or DA, or jury of the fact.

If you're looking for a true single shot (manually load one round, fire, repeat) then you could just lock a SLED http://www.midwayusa.com/product/232...ng-block-ar-15 into the mag well using one of the old school original pre bullet button mag locks.

[Justinoff]

The issue with that has been pointed out though, as all you'd have to do is hold the bolt catch down and it's semi auto again. Might have some legal issues with that. I think modifying the upper is a better way to get to semi auto. A side charger with no gas port drilled in the barrel would be pretty nice.



I think the issue is you're looking for a way to make it bolt action/single shot that would be easily reversed if you went out of state, or the SHTF, or whatever. The problem there is convincing a cop, or DA, or jury of the fact.



If you're looking for a true single shot (manually load one round, fire, repeat) then you could just lock a SLED http://www.midwayusa.com/product/232...ng-block-ar-15 into the mag well using one of the old school original pre bullet button mag locks.

Very interesting. Thank you for this.


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[Bullets&Whitewalls]

Its a great idea honestly but my first thoughts are what keeps someone from holding down the bolt catch while shooting so it doesn't catch the bolt?

[Bullets&Whitewalls]

fox beat me too it

[Bullets&Whitewalls]

I just bought the side charging upper from Midway and tigwelded my gas port for my last 2016 build. Just finished it today.

[The Gleam]

If you can't drill a hole in aluminum then yeah this isn't for you.

LOL!! You didn't see my OLL AR180 build a few months back did you, where I had to do EXACTLY that - drilled into the side of an expensive NDS AR180 receiver, roughly a 5/16" hole, and tapped it for threads to embed the folding stock locking retainer.

A novice I'm not.












Where you are drilling it was the part I'm skeptical about; my point being, do it right, or don't do it at all. There are areas of the receiver which are thinner or apt for stress then other parts, and more prone to issues than other sections when you start drilling/cutting/grinding metal away.

By the way, you may be getting me wrong; I welcome your ingenuity, even if I don't see it as practical because it can lead to new ideas out of that - so long as the aspect is not one that can determine the rifle to only be temporarily altered whereby they still deem the action not truly revised. As I think to what Quiet was alluding, the very same concept as to what made SSE no longer possible.

Yet, I would take your idea over the new BB-2 concept ANY day. Now that is a cluster of madness, akin to the FAB-10 I mentioned, whereby your idea has a lot more merit for usability and applied pragmatism than the BB-2.

Could I live with pull, cycle/stop: hit release - pull cycle/stop: hit release - pull cycle/stop: hit release? No. But it's a much better idea to still retain a normal way to load magazines than the BB-2 offering in my opinion.

Those comparing it to a bolt-action are not being fair; it would still cycle quickly, you just have the added action of taking your finger off the trigger to hit that release each time, in order to load. Thinking about it, that's not really too big a deal.

So after mulling it over, your idea is not as bad as it sounds; it would be better than the BB2, still better than a gas-disabled/manually cycled rifle, and you could still keep all your features.

The only catch is getting around the aspect of it merely being a disabled semi-auto that in the eyes of the DOJ, is STILL a "semi-auto".

If you go with this idea, it would be wise to submit for a determination letter from the CA DOJ/BOF for opinion.

[IVC]

The issue with that has been pointed out though, as all you'd have to do is hold the bolt catch down and it's semi auto again. Might have some legal issues with that.

Reminds me of the open bolt semi-auto designs that got banned in the 80s for the same reason..