Firearms Paranoia - In the Work Place

[Merc1138]

If there WERE rules! Their aren't (yet). The company didn't handle it correctly. Their policy at the time did not prohibit what I ordered whatsoever, but then tells me, "...it would be advisable not to bring such things onto company property...". Really? What "things"? What policy is this? And there is still no changed policy I can find.

Phil

Obviously it's run by anti 2a types. It doesn't matter if there was no policy, and odds are it'll take a while for them to draft a new one. You should know better in this state, that all it takes is some ***** whining about how scared or uncomfortable it made them. When you prompt HR to alter company policy because they don't like your behavior, your time there is generally going to be short.

[keenkeen]

It is work, not a FedEx or UPS pickup depot.

As another poster said, be an adult and keep your work and personal lives separated, unless you see some upside to the current situation that I am missing.

[Phil3]

Yeah, unless the OP didn't know that bullets.com uses branded shipping boxes(I hate it when companies do this), having something from them shipped to work is just insane unless you're 100% sure that you're cool with the receiving dept.

As it is, he's already on HR's **** list, continuing to play games is definitely a bad idea.

I am an upper level person at the company, am cool with S/R, HR, and report to a C-level company officer. According to HR, they told me directly, "the matter is closed", (there is nothing to talk about). Facilities says that S/R was instructed to watch for potentially hazardous or suspicious deliveries, in light of powder in envelopes and the like, and when they saw bullets (vendor name and packing slip), they got alarmed.

Approximately a third of our shipments are personal and at X-mas time, it can be half and that includes delivery of alcohol, and shipments out for employees. Typical Silicon Valley. To avoid delivery to work (where it is freely allowed for all), just because someone might wet themselves over a supplier name of "bullets.com" is insane. Given all the hazardous stuff we order, I'd be waaaaay more worried about that than what "might" be in a box from "bullets.com", and feel it way out of line to be asked not to do this when there is no policy prohibiting it. Walking on eggshells out of fear is not my style.

Phil

[Lead4bfast]

If there WERE rules! Their aren't (yet). The company didn't handle it correctly. Their policy at the time did not prohibit what I ordered whatsoever, but then tells me, "...it would be advisable not to bring such things onto company property...". Really? What "things"? What policy is this? And there is still no changed policy I can find.

Phil

Phil,
I agree with Merc on this. When HR are forced to "revised" their policy due to an employee's "action", you can bet you are already "tagged". I would not continue to give them "ammo" so to speak to suspend you or worsed terminate you if you value your job.

[IVC]

If there WERE rules! Their aren't (yet). The company didn't handle it correctly. Their policy at the time did not prohibit what I ordered whatsoever, but then tells me, "...it would be advisable not to bring such things onto company property...". Really? What "things"? What policy is this? And there is still no changed policy I can find.

Phil

The policy didn't prohibit it and you did receive your package, right? They didn't throw the book at you and they only said "not advisable," they didn't say "not permitted." Yet.

My guess is that you can push the envelope as long as there is no new policy, but that's just creating bad blood if you know that their intent is to ban "such things."

I'm not judging their decisions or policies, merely pointing out that neither you nor I have any right or ability to dictate their policies. It's the old "golden rule" - he who has the gold makes the rules. In this case it's the company. Short of violating civil rights, they can do whatever they want.

[Phil3]

It is work, not a FedEx or UPS pickup depot.

I would normally agree, but the company is fine with it, so I took advantage of the perk.

Phil

[monk]

If there WERE rules! Their aren't (yet). The company didn't handle it correctly. Their policy at the time did not prohibit what I ordered whatsoever, but then tells me, "...it would be advisable not to bring such things onto company property...". Really? What "things"? What policy is this? And there is still no changed policy I can find.

Phil

You're the kind of person that raises the pucker factor for HR. Like others have said, their company, their values, practices, and decisions.

[mikeyr]

A faculty member at my work was upset that I had a copy of the "Blue Press" from Dillon on my desk and I had a "talking" about it from my boss.

Its getting BAD when they are afraid of a reloading catalog.

[Phil3]

It is work, not a FedEx or UPS pickup depot.

I would normally agree, but the company is fine with personal deliveries and shipments, so I took advantage of the perk. I continue to do so, with other things (tools and software, firearms related), coming soon from suppliers without a scary name.

Phil

[glockman19]

I am an upper level person at the company, am cool with S/R, HR, and report to a C-level company officer. According to HR, they told me directly, "the matter is closed", (there is nothing to talk about). Facilities says that S/R was instructed to watch for potentially hazardous or suspicious deliveries, in light of powder in envelopes and the like, and when they saw bullets (vendor name and packing slip), they got alarmed.

Approximately a third of our shipments are personal and at X-mas time, it can be half and that includes delivery of alcohol, and shipments out for employees. Typical Silicon Valley. To avoid delivery to work (where it is freely allowed for all), just because someone might wet themselves over a supplier name of "bullets.com" is insane. Given all the hazardous stuff we order, I'd be waaaaay more worried about that than what "might" be in a box from "bullets.com", and feel it way out of line to be asked not to do this when there is no policy prohibiting it. Walking on eggshells out of fear is not my style.

Phil

There, you said it. You report to "C" level management. Unless you are talking CEO, CFO, CTO, Doesn't sound like you are "upper level" to me.

As for x-mass, Business gifts are appropriate to receive at work, NOT personal non-work related items.

As an example, you may have a Medical MJ card and legally possess it. Bring it into my workplace, come to work under the influence, have it mailed to you at my business and you'll be looking for another job

[IVC]

According to HR, they told me directly, "the matter is closed", (there is nothing to talk about).

That's the best outcome and it seems like it all worked out. As I said, the company didn't do anything wrong and it seems they are still handling it correctly by not blowing it out of proportion.

As a separate issue, as someone who is in the management (assuming the company is big enough) you should know better than to go against the grain.

[vacman]

I am going to order other stuff from bullets.com (not ammo stuff), just to see if they go into panic hand-wringing mode because they see the supplier "bullets.com".

Good luck in your new job search!

[Phil3]

A faculty member at my work was upset that I had a copy of the "Blue Press" from Dillon on my desk and I had a "talking" about it from my boss.

Its getting BAD when they are afraid of a reloading catalog.

Yeah, that IS bad, but like others have said, the company can make the rules. Not sure there were any for you, but I could see someone here talking to me about my 50 cal bullet pen (not happened yet). The most they could is "ask" is that I hide it or not bring it in (given there is no policy). I am not sure how I would respond to that.

Phil

[Phil3]

There, you said it. You report to "C" level management. Unless you are talking CEO, CFO, CTO, Doesn't sound like you are "upper level" to me.

Yes, my boss is one of those.

As for x-mass, Business gifts are appropriate to receive at work, NOT personal non-work related items.

Not at my work place.

Phil

[Phil3]

Good luck in your new job search!

This is not a concern.