DMV punched a hole in my DL

[Metal God]

If you were God, how would you rewrite that section

WOW , you just don't get it . I/we need not be gods . Just citizens willing to speak up when the government speaks down .

SECTION 1

(a) Bona fide evidence of majority and identity of the person is any of the following:

(1) A document issued by a federal, state, county, or municipal government, or subdivision or agency thereof, including, but not limited to, a valid motor vehicle operator's license, that contains the name, date of birth, description, and picture of the person.

(2) A valid passport issued by the United States or by a foreign government.

(3) A valid identification card issued to a member of the Armed Forces that includes a date of birth and a picture of the person.

(b) Proof that the defendant-licensee, or his or her employee or agent, demanded, was shown, and acted in reliance upon bona fide evidence in any transaction, employment, use, or permission forbidden by Section 25658, 25663, or 25665 shall be a defense to any criminal prosecution therefor or to any proceedings for the suspension or revocation of any license based thereon.

SECTION 2

If ID is to be used to determine age of card holder only , It shall not be expired or invalid more then 4 years

Now that was not to hard . If the ID is good enough to show my age for 4 years when valid . It should be able to do the same thing the same length of time while invalid . They obviously don't care about the picture or if you still resemble the person on it . I think I went 16yrs with the same photo so what other reason could there be ?

[BennyAdeline]

My comment is not directed against you personally Benny.

But I hope you do see the ridiculousness of the above situation.

I'm in my 50s, gray hair - whatever is left of it. And so tired of the stupidity that the last two times I was asked for ID (both times for a single beer) once at a bar, the other at the supermarket. I just said nevermind and walked away.

It's not the effort of reaching into my wallet for CDL, but the principle. If the behemoth alcohol companies aren't willing to work on behalf of the consumer, why reward them with business.

I agree that it's silly, but the heavy penalties and fines that can be levied by ABC are why people are super strict. I support too many employees for me to risk being shut down for a service violation. The ABC does stings every day of the week...it's how they get a good chunk of their operational budget.

[CWDraco]

Last week I had to add a tanker endorsement to my CDL and the guy at the DMV punched a hole in my license. Yesterday I stopped by turners to "check" out the c39v2. A new shipment just came in after being on back order for 4 months. I decided to buy it. Handing over my license I saw the hole and I was hoping they wouldn't notice but the guy did and he wouldn't let me go any further with the DROS. I did put a deposit on the rifle and I'm hoping my license will get here soon.

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so you have no valid drivers license... and are you still driving?

[lastinline]

Ya right.

My birth certificate has a Mexican customs stamp on it from 1998.

They'll just punch a hole in your SS card... then the next time you apply for a job they'll accuse you of being here illegally.

Well, my birth certificate does not have that stamp on it, and it's from well before 1988. ymmv
I could care less what they do with my SS card; I'll never collect SS, so they can have it. I'm here legally (birth), but that seems to matter so much less these days, especially here. I'm done applying for jobs, and for that matter the baboons can have my passport, as I've travelled the world, and am done with that as well.
License?......By the time the Dems turn this entire state into a sanctuary city, my current one will expire, and I have no plans to renew.
I. Just. Don't. Care.

[ke6guj]

lol , I understand the law completely . How does that make it a smart logical law ? Maybe instead of saying what the law is you can explain the purpose of the law . Why is a valid ID needed to prove my age . It proved my age yesterday why not today ?

There's likely a reason they put the valid part on the books . I just don't see a good reason for it . Other then someone trying to use a 30yr old expired DL for ID . There should/could be exceptions to that law .

I'm a contractor and I have clients all the time asking about codes and they often start out thinking many of them are stupid . After I explain the reasons for the specific codes the light bulb often goes on and they get it . The valid ID thing , I just don't completely get the reasoning behind it as far as age goes .

ok, here you go. think about this scenario. I have a younger brother or friends that looks similar to me but is under 21. my original license has expired so I give it to my brother/friend to use to get into bars. I could do the same with a valid ID, but then I have to go and get a replacement.

AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON MY CHECK ENGINE LIGHT !!!!!

check engine light on means that something isnt up to acceptable standards. even though tailpipe emissions pass, doesn't mean that everything is right. I could have a bad gas cap or a cracked vacuum line that lets gas vapors escape when the car is off. that affects smog even though it passes a tailpipe test.

[Metal God]

ke6

Bad argument , You're saying lets have another law to stop someone from breaking a law already on the books . Sound familiar ?

I see that for being a reason not to allow a person to have multiple DL but what if you don't have two , just the one you have is expired ? I still have 2 of my old DL including my very first one . I don't see why that matters . If some one breaks another law by uses it .

I think some people don't understand what laws are for . You guys do understand they have nothing to do with preventing anyone from doing anything . They are on the books so the government can legally prosecute , fine you or other wise have some control . They have nothing to do with preventing or stopping anyone from doing anything .

[ke6guj]

perhaps you should have actually handed that clerk your CCW license and used that as your Proof of Residency. and, perhaps the clerk wasn't being nosy so he didn't focus on the fact that you had a CCW exposed in your wallet (has that clerk even seen a CCW from your county/city before?) and that you were FSC-exempt and SHD-exempt. why even have an FSC if you are already FSC-exempt, unless you got your CCW after you got the FSC?

See, you figured it out without having to be told.

that still doesn't' explain the fact that you could have used your CCW to satisfy both CA's Proof of Residency and federal Proof of Identity requirements if you CCW had your current address on it.

had you given the clerk your CCW, it would have dealt with the PoR/PoI issues, it would have also satisfied the FSC-requirement and shown that you wee SHD-exempt.

if I was a dealer and you handed me an FSC, why would I think you had any SHD-exemptions unless you told me? as mentioned before, clerk was being polite to not look in your wallet to see your CCW. and how much of your CCW was showing? was that CCW issued by the same county as where you bought the gun? would the average clerk recognize that specific CCW design. remember, that there is no standard for the CCW plastic ID cards (only the "rice paper" design is standardized).

[y0manda]

Good new, my new license came in the mail today.

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[foxtrotuniformlima]

This is why i get a CA ID card issued at the same time as the DL.

[beardog308]

I've renewed my D/L here in Sacramento several times and never had the old one PUNCHED!!!

You could be like my mom. Extending that Kodak Film CA license until infinity. Washington State punches a W into the now expired out of state license.

[beardog308]

Use a passport to get in a bar. It's valid for five years longer than a CA ID, but nine years less than a AZ ID