A good guy shot dead a robber, interesting things.

[Tank 57]

After reading more about the "suspect", I feel a great public service was done.

[twinfin]

An interesting point occurred to me in reading the account of the shooting. The jeweler is holding the suspect at gun point who is down and blocking the front door, exact condition unknown so the jeweler, rightly fearing for his safety, keeps his gun pointed at the attacker while calling for help.

The police arrive at scene and have a problem. They can see the man down, blocking the front door but they also have another dude inside who may or may not be the shop proprietor, pointing his gun at the guy on the floor who's condition is not exactly known and who could still be a lethal threat. How do the cops address the guy down on the floor without placing themselves in the line of fire of the presumably freaked out proprietor with unknown trigger discipline?

See the problem?

At some point in time, the shop keeper has to figure out how cooperate with the needs of the cops to not get shot by either the bad guy or the shopkeeper with an adrenaline charged twitchy finger! The cops and the dispatcher have to figure out a way to communicate this dilemma to the shop keeper and all of this while everyone is pumped up and trying not to get shot.

Real life is never as clean and tidy as the movie scripts so many people are accustomed to.

[farmerjoe]

Good piece I was just reading on ballistics. Nothing on .357, but plenty on .380, 9mm 40 S&W and 45 ACP

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/

[EvoXguy]

^ ^ ^ so true!

I recently posted some details about my shooting in the CCW discussion on Winchester Ranger ammunition. The suspect took almost 20 rounds before he went down. And it took a while for him to bleed out...

I find this pretty disturbing given the fact that we aren't allowed to have standard capacity mags in the first place. All these stories of BGs taking hits and keep on coming ect. Maybe there's a reason guys in the wild west carried 2 guns at once ?

[dpr]

I think the guy was misunderstood, he was trying to sell Ted some heirloom gun he found in the back alley for college expenses. Ted fired indiscriminately at him as he started to say "Good afternoon, Mr. Jeweler, I'm quite pleased to see you . . . . " as he fits the stereotype. This man is actually a gentle giant and would not harm anything, a father to 5 children and good companion to their mothers. His 45-year old grandma, four aunts and his seven stepsisters would attest to his wit and kindness. He had planned to turn his life around by attending Harvard University, after he gets his high school GED in two years.

</sarcasm>

He was a good boy, he dindo nuffin' ta dazerv dadt.

I hope your friend (the jeweler) comes out this ok. Financially and emotionally. Wishing him the best.

[fendter]

I hope Ted doesn't get sued by the dude's relatives. It often happens and can get expensive to defend.

[sidelock]

Thank you for your comments, Ted is ok, he is back in business, he got a few more new customers just want to support his little business.

I told Ted he did community a great favor by saving millions of dollars in the court cost and we might have to feed that dirtbag in jail for a long time afterward.

Ted is an honorous guy, from what I heard, he charges so little on his jewelry repair works, some customers actually insist to pay him more.

[Cokebottle]

That's awesome to hear.
Good for him standing up for himself and his property, and walking away on his own feet.

[hellayella]

Score one for the good guy; as for the deceased, screw his family trying to get a lawsuit going...for what?

[Jimi Jah]

Has the perp's 'family' filed a wrongful death lawsuit with BLM yet?

[ChuckDizzle]

Why fire more shots? The suspect was stopped. You said he went to the floor. If you shoot someone on the floor, they will be able to tell, particularly if shots go tnt and end up in the floor.

QFT

Also why waste the ammo, robber may have an accomplice who attempts a rescue (unlikely, honor among thieves), and instead of unloading more rounds into a threat that has been stopped keep the four remaining ready for anything else.

[ChuckDizzle]

I hope Ted doesn't get sued by the dude's relatives. It often happens and can get expensive to defend.

Edit to be more diplomatic:

Where would you get this notion? Are you aware that under California Rules of Civil Procedure a plaintiff may be held liable for legal costs brought in a suit that is dismissed as a matter of law?

[crackerman]

I think the guy was misunderstood, he was trying to sell Ted some heirloom gun he found in the back alley for college expenses. Ted fired indiscriminately at him as he started to say "Good afternoon, Mr. Jeweler, I'm quite pleased to see you . . . . " as he fits the stereotype. This man is actually a gentle giant and would not harm anything, a father to 5 children and good companion to their mothers. His 45-year old grandma, four aunts and his seven stepsisters would attest to his wit and kindness. He had planned to turn his life around by attending Harvard University, after he gets his high school GED in two years.

</sarcasm>

I see what you did there

[jyo]

Poor career choice---bad planning---GOOD SHOOT!!

[RickD427]

Edit to be more diplomatic:

Where would you get this notion? Are you aware that under California Rules of Civil Procedure a plaintiff may be held liable for legal costs brought in a suit that is dismissed as a matter of law?

Chuck,

You may be correct as a matter of law, but not so much as a practical matter.

Attorney's fees are by far the largest single expense in any lawsuit. Attorney's fees are allowable as costs only where authorized by "contract, statute, or law" (CCP section 1033.5). There certainly is no contract between the shooter and the shootee. I'm not aware of any statute or law that would allow for a recovery. If you know of one, please cite it.

But a more important point is that most of the folks that you have be responsible for the payment of costs (and attorney fees if you can provide the cite), are folks who have no assets.

How are you gonna get any blood out of the proverbial turnip?