A good guy shot dead a robber, interesting things.

[sidelock]

As you guys already read in the news, this incident happened in March of this year. I didn't have time to post this sooner, sorry.

A small jewelry store's owner in city of Torrance, L.A. county, California shot dead an attempted robber inside the store.

I knew the owner Ted through a very close friend, he is a soft spoken, small stature guy in his late 50s. Being at the same location for 30 years.

The 20 year old convicted felon (BTW, a well build, black male) just got out of jail months ago came in to his shop with a gun trying to rob him around noontime, when Ted saw the gun pointed at him, he was prepared to get shot, but didn't. Ted managed to shot the suspect two times, dropped the suspect on the floor, Torrance PD arrived within 2 minutes.

I spoke to Ted in details about the incident.

Here're the amazing things happened:

1) The suspect was down, blocking the door way on the floor preventing officers from entering the store, they rammed in, flip the suspect, took away the firearm, cuff him, then drag the then still alive suspect out of the shop by the legs and throw him on the parking lot.
What about preserving the crime scene ? So don't believe what you saw in the movies.
LE don't really gives a sxxx.

2) CSI & inspector repeated the same question a dozen times to Ted about the shooting, seeking any flaws in his testimony, Torrance PD detectives actually stepped in and tell them to knock it off: "Stop! This is a good shooting!" Ted was never being considered any wrong doing. DA agreed.
There's justice in California.

3) Here's the real interesting and scary part of the actual shooting:
Ted shot the suspect twice, using his .357 Mag. revolver with Remington JHP.
First shot went through the suspect's lung, turned and stopped at his liver or kidney, the second shot went to his head behind ear while he turned after the first shot.

The suspect went down on the floor, bleeding, he didn't die anytime soon, he still moves and making noises in pain for over 10 minutes.

I don't know any handgun caliber against human target were more effective than .357 Mag. JHP. The shot placement were nearly perfect, one in the chest and one in the head. And the bullet performed just as designed, no over penetration, full energy transformed inside the target.
The biopsy report couldn't identify which shot was ultimate fatal in this case because either one could have killed the suspect. But he didn't die on the spot.

So, my conclusion is fire more shots.

[Citation650]

I hope he had time to think about it and suffered.

[Citadelgrad87]

Why fire more shots? The suspect was stopped. You said he went to the floor. If you shoot someone on the floor, they will be able to tell, particularly if shots go tnt and end up in the floor.

[1911su16b870]

Thanks for the report.

1) First thing LE cares about is making the scene safe. That means dirt bag incapacitated/hand cuffed.

2) CSI is there to gather the physical evidence that supports/does not the testimony. They are not the investigating officers/detectives/DA etc.

3) Handguns are ineffective man stoppers. Old statistic of 1/6 handgun victims will be fatal with the improvement of first aid etc. (IIRC it was a video made by an ER Dr) vs 5/6 when hit with/by a long gun.

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

This POS also killed two elderly people in their garage, robbed another and also robbed a donut shop right after killing the elderly couple. I hope he suffered.

[Thepug99]

You would think the 357 would go through the person

[MrOrange]

1. Cuffing and controlling the suspect is something the cops need to do before "preserving the crime scene". How did you want them to deal with him?

2. Ted shouldn't have been answering any questions, let alone the same one six times. Explain that you were threatened and had to defend yourself, ask to speak to your lawyer. Maybe point out where your assailant's weapons landed.

3. If the slugs had significantly expanded and exited, then I'd consider that perfect performance. Under-penetration is more of a problem than over-penetration in HP pistol rounds.

4. If the assailant is on the floor and out of the fight, you don't get to execute him with more shots while he's on the ground. This isn't Fallujah, and you ain't a soldier.

[madjack956]

I love that round. First pistol I ever bought was a Ruger Security-Six in 1980.

Still got it. Built like a tank.

[trigger945]

Wow, pretty intense.

How's Ted doing? How is his hearing after shooting 357 mag indoors without hearing protection (I assume)?

[Musubi1000]

You would think the 357 would go through the person

Weird stuff happens with higher velocities. It's possible if the bullet were slower and didn't expand it could pass right through like a FMJ.

[syntaxerror]

I spoke to Ted in details about the incident.

Here're the amazing things happened:

1) The suspect was down, blocking the door way on the floor preventing officers from entering the store, they rammed in, flip the suspect, took away the firearm, cuff him, then drag the then still alive suspect out of the shop by the legs and throw him on the parking lot.
What about preserving the crime scene ? So don't believe what you saw in the movies.
LE don't really gives a sxxx.

I'm sorry, but unless you do the job yourself, you know that officer safety and safety in general is #1, everything else second. Officers didn't know the suspect was down until arrival on scene, unless Ted notified the dispatcher. This isn't some OJ crime scene. It was a attempted robbery, plain and simple.

[dustoff31]

A good guy shot dead a robber,

Sorry, that's the only part I found interesting.

[SoCalPI]

Wow, sucks to be in that position. Better the POS dead than the good guy. Wondering what type of Ruger it was, barrel length. If it was an LCR, might not have had the velocity to achieve its full potential. If it was a 4" GP100, that would be interesting.

[sidelock]

Thank you for the question, Ted was pretty shocked at the time, when he realized he didn't got shot, he feels a lot better. Then when he learned who that dirtbag was, he feels relieved.

Ted lost hearing for a few minutes, and there're ringing in his ears for a while.
He didn't know how many times his bullets hit the guy, the guy was laying face down, his body covered his gun while he was making noises. Ted had to point his gun at him while calling 911.

The funniest part of the incident was when dispatcher asked him to put down his weapon so Torrance PD can come in,
Ted said: "NO!"
There's a 10 seconds pause form the dispatcher, then she repeated: Sir, I need you to put down your weapon and turn facing the wall, officers are coming in.
Ted replied: No! He is still moving, and I can't see his gun, I'm not putting my gun down!
Another long pause.

Torrance PD were right outside the door they can see each other.

It took a few minutes for the dispatcher to persuade Ted to lay down his gun, and turn back facing the wall so the officers can come in.

[FalconLair]

As you guys already read in the news, this incident happened in March of this year. I didn't have time to post this sooner, sorry.

A small jewelry store's owner in city of Torrance, L.A. county, California shot dead an attempted robber inside the store.

I knew the owner Ted through a very close friend, he is a soft spoken, small stature guy in his late 50s. Being at the same location for 30 years.

The 20 year old convicted felon (BTW, a well build, black male) just got out of jail months ago came in to his shop with a gun trying to rob him around noontime, when Ted saw the gun pointed at him, he was prepared to get shot, but didn't. Ted managed to shot the suspect two times, dropped the suspect on the floor, Torrance PD arrived within 2 minutes.

I spoke to Ted in details about the incident.

Here're the amazing things happened:

1) The suspect was down, blocking the door way on the floor preventing officers from entering the store, they rammed in, flip the suspect, took away the firearm, cuff him, then drag the then still alive suspect out of the shop by the legs and throw him on the parking lot.
What about preserving the crime scene ? So don't believe what you saw in the movies.
LE don't really gives a sxxx.

2) CSI & inspector repeated the same question a dozen times to Ted about the shooting, seeking any flaws in his testimony, Torrance PD detectives actually stepped in and tell them to knock it off: "Stop! This is a good shooting!" Ted was never being considered any wrong doing. DA agreed.
There's justice in California.

3) Here's the real interesting and scary part of the actual shooting:
Ted shot the suspect twice, using his Ruger .357 Mag. revolver with Remington JHP.
First shot went through the suspect's lung, turned and stopped at his liver or kidney, the second shot went to his head behind ear while he turned after the first shot.

The suspect went down on the floor, bleeding, he didn't die anytime soon, he still moves and making noises in pain for over 10 minutes.

I don't know any handgun caliber against human target were more effective than .357 Mag. JHP. The shot placement were nearly perfect, one in the chest and one in the head. And the bullet performed just as designed, no over penetration, full energy transformed inside the target.
The biopsy report couldn't identify which shot was ultimate fatal in this case because either one could have killed the suspect. But he didn't die on the spot.

So, my conclusion is fire more shots.

probably not a good idea, and, i'm sure you're only saying it in jest

we have the right to "stop" a threat, it pretty much ends after that

anything more could lead to bad times for the shooter

im surprised if there wasn't some video of the shooting, it would save the CSI's all the questioning