A good guy shot dead a robber, interesting things.

[laurelpark]

Wow. I certainly hope I never have to shoot anyone - but I hope even more that I'm armed and ready if a situation like that confronts me...

[beanz2]

I think the guy was misunderstood, he was trying to sell Ted some heirloom gun he found in the back alley for college expenses. Ted fired indiscriminately at him as he started to say "Good afternoon, Mr. Jeweler, I'm quite pleased to see you . . . . " as he fits the stereotype. This man is actually a gentle giant and would not harm anything, a father to 5 children and good companion to their mothers. His 45-year old grandma, four aunts and his seven stepsisters would attest to his wit and kindness. He had planned to turn his life around by attending Harvard University, after he gets his high school GED in two years.

</sarcasm>

[INCINR8]

Why fire more shots? The suspect was stopped. You said he went to the floor. If you shoot someone on the floor, they will be able to tell, particularly if shots go tnt and end up in the floor.

If the suspect has or is near the gun and is still moving, He may be percieved a threat, no matter his position. Shot him on the floor or in the back, no problem as long as he is a threat. IMO.

[bigbearbear]

So, my conclusion is fire more shots.

Don't. You shoot to stop the threat, once the threat is gone your right to use deadly force ceases. If you walk up to some dude bleeding on the floor faced down and empty your gun into him, you'll end up in jail for sure.

I think I want a .357mag revolver now after reading this thread.

[bigbearbear]

This is friggin funny.

[S.A.]

Op, did Ted get his gun back?

[SoCalPI]

Don't. You shoot to stop the threat, once the threat is gone your right to use deadly force ceases. If you walk up to some dude bleeding on the floor faced down and empty your gun into him, you'll end up in jail for sure.

I think I want a .357mag revolver now after reading this thread.

To inflict maximum pain and suffering? Shot at point blank range in the chest and head and leaves the guy squirming? I guess he was incapacitated and died a justified death. If it had been a .45, he would have been dead before Ted pulled the trigger.

[Cokebottle]

4. If the assailant is on the floor and out of the fight, you don't get to execute him with more shots while he's on the ground. This isn't Fallujah, and you ain't a soldier.

This.

As stated, this is not the movies. You aren't going to drop a bad guy "dead in his tracks" with one, two, or possibly even 5 bullets.

You are going to kill a man through bleed-out, or by a CNS hit that causes paralysis to the heart and respiratory system.
You may also stop the threat with one shot even though it is not a hit on a critical area when the bad guy realizes that you WILL kill him and decides to retreat. This is an advantage against human attackers that we generally do not have against animals.

Yes, it was one shot to the body and one to the head.
Either COULD have been fatal... lung to kidney to liver could cause enough damage to cause bleed-out... but the brain remains alive for 4 minutes after the loss of blood flow.
That "moving" bad guy could possibly have already been "dead".

The head shot, it depends on what it passed through. Passing through only one hemisphere there is a good possibility of survival (Gabby Giffords, Jim Brady....)

Also, even on the CNS hit, there was a video of a robbery a couple of years ago where a jewelry store owner shot two robbers. One ran out the door and bled out a few doors down. The 2nd was a direct hit to the spine, 100% paralysis... yet he was still able to crawl out the door to the sidewalk.

The human body is a remarkably resilient machine.

[BigPimping]

I have seen a lot of people who have been shot after the fact. I hope I never have to do this. I am prepared to if need be,

[1911su16b870]

This is friggin funny.

Thanks BBB! There are a bunch of shooting memes out there with the Dalai Lama...(one duplicating Black Hawk Down Howe's this is my safety Sir, etc.)

[sidelock]

Let me clarify couple comments I made in my original post,

1) What I said about the LE really doesn't give a sxxx about preserving the crime scene, it was about they drag the suspect by the legs and throw him in the parking lot. Not removing his gun and cuff him.

2) What I mean fire more shots means while shooting, not after he went down on the floor.

[Cokebottle]

2) What I mean fire more shots means while shooting, not after he went down on the floor.

Pray that this statement is never presented to a jury to show premeditation

[417atty]

As stated, this is not the movies. You aren't going to drop a bad guy "dead in his tracks" with one, two, or possibly even 5 bullets.

You are going to kill a man through bleed-out, or by a CNS hit that causes paralysis to the heart and respiratory system.
You may also stop the threat with one shot even though it is not a hit on a critical area when the bad guy realizes that you WILL kill him and decides to retreat.

^ ^ ^ so true!

I recently posted some details about my shooting in the CCW discussion on Winchester Ranger ammunition. The suspect took almost 20 rounds before he went down. And it took a while for him to bleed out...

[417atty]

A small jewelry store's owner in city of Torrance, L.A. county, California shot dead an attempted robber inside the store.

I'm glad the store owner will be alright... At least the suspect died doing what he loved.

[Cokebottle]

^ ^ ^ so true!

I recently posted some details about my shooting in the CCW discussion on Winchester Ranger ammunition. The suspect took almost 20 rounds before he went down. And it took a while for him to bleed out...

Wow... insane experience!