Armed good samaritan killed at Dallas Walgreens

[Ninety]

Whether or not he was justified in using deadly force under Texas law is not the issue, which was it smart for Antell to try to apprehend a shooter who was leaving the scene and did not pose an immediate threat to anyone.

since he is dead I would have to vote: NOT smart

Since he is dead,I'd say he was still a threat to others.

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Some of you guys and your hero delusions are flat out crazy. We're not LE, heck we don't even have the law on our side. We have a right to self defense and a fire arm is meant for life and death.

In my mind, acting as LE will result in either getting shot (by perp or LE), getting arrested, or getting sued. Better be worth it.

I'm not so sure it's hero delusions..


But the mindset in many other states is to do the right thing,whatever that may be,not the least civilly liable thing.

Obviously mistakes were made.

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[NorCalAthlete]

Whether or not he was justified in using deadly force under Texas law is not the issue, which was it smart for Antell to try to apprehend a shooter who was leaving the scene and did not pose an immediate threat to anyone.

And he is just as dead in TX as CA as any other state.

Being a Marine with a CCW has little to do with it (once a Marine, always a Marine). The battlefield is very different than dealing with thugs.

Maybe I have had too much experience with thugs but the first cue he was willing to use the gun was he had already fired off shots. The second was he had a gun. Only in movies is a BG reluctant to use a gun on me when he sees I am armed. That is the thinking that got the good Samaritan killed.

Finally, even in TX the good Samaritan would have been in a whole lot of legal trouble had it turned out he was trying to intervene in a justifiable shoot. He did not have all the information.

I took my CCW classes out of CA and it states with laws similar to TX. Even with a CCW you still go to prison if you shoot the wrong person. In my classes I got to hear of real cases that resulted in prosecutions because the CCW holder thought he was being a good Samaritan and ended up shooting the good guy rather than the bad guy.

That is why you do not engage unless it is your life or the lives of your loved ones that are in danger. Be a witness. Be on your cell phone to 911 while it is happening. And if the guy drives off and you feel it is safe, follow at a safe distance so you can let the 911 operator know until LE shows up. Let them straighten out the mess. Then you are not legally exposed. If the person decides to become a threat to you at any time, you are ready to deal with it though.

I didn't say he made the right choice in this case. Simply attempting to explain his mindset as I understand it from what we know.

I've already covered why he may have interpreted someone who you see as not posing an immediate threat as the opposite of that.

As for "he didn't have all the facts" and shooting the wrong person - let's see...as I understand the case, he's outside, the shooter shot his gf outside (article said she was shot and ran back inside yelling for help) so it's pretty easy to think that Antell saw it happen. Additionally, as you guys have posted, if you're a CCW person / good samaritan you don't just run from a scene you used your firearm at. You call 911, be a good witness, etc. So if you see someone shoot an unarmed female, then run and try to leave...seems pretty clear that they're not exactly someone with the best of intentions. EVEN THEN, let's say he didn't have all the facts and only saw someone with a gun fleeing the scene where there were just gunshots. Is it that hard for you guys to think maybe that's why he didn't just pull the trigger on the guy running away? "Hey, I think he's a bad guy, but I'm not sure so I'm not just gonna kill him, but I do know he shouldn't be running away at the very least."

You guys are real quick to crap all over a dead guy's bad judgement call. Real classy. Great discussion too, rather than even attempting to see all sides whether you agree or not.

And just for the record, I do agree he made a bad decision/judgement call, and it's sad that it cost him his life.

[Jimi Jah]

bad move your ccw is to save "you" ,you are not a cop he put himself in harms way

Some still have problems understanding this.

[RazoE]

^ Yep, but still sad another wannabe sheepdog bit the dust.

[Chewy65]

You guys are real quick to crap all over a dead guy's bad judgement call. Real classy. Great discussion too, rather than even attempting to see all sides whether you agree or not.

I don't think the dead guy is too concerned over what you call crapping over his bad judgment call. Perhaps if others had crapped over another good Samaritan's similar judgment call in posts read by this guy, he would still be alive.

[baggss]

Great discussion too, rather than even attempting to see all sides whether you agree or not.

If this type of behavior is new to you irt Internet forums, I suggest you abandon them. Doesn't matter the topic of the board, it happens all the time. Additionally, who says anyone has to try and see "All sides" to begin with. You know what they say about opinions...

[cliffhanger]

He probably should have engaged at more than arms length.

[sofbak]

^^^^^ Cliffhanger finally got too the REAL bad decision in this event. All the others are circumstantially secondary.