Armed good samaritan killed at Dallas Walgreens

[SuperSet]

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2016/05/1-dead-several-injured-in-shooting-at-arlington-walgreens.html/

[camaroguy2012]

i just watched a really good video on not trying to draw on a drawn gun. This is why people need training if you are going to intervene you need to be ready to take immediate action. Hesitating or trying to give warnings end badly

[hermosabeach]

is Fort Hood the Florida of the Military?


+1,000,000 on training

[kustomkat1950]

Should have lit the perp up...hesitation can get you killed when there is gunplay involved..

[SuperSet]

"Bradden ran to his truck after shooting at his wife’s feet, according to the arrest warrant. He told Army supervisors that a man ran up to him and told him to drop his gun. Bradden confessed to slapping a gun out of the man’s hand and shooting him, according to the arrest warrant."

Wow.

[baggss]

I'm wondering why he chose to intervene. I'm sure he did't know the status of the victim but unless his own life was at risk he probably should have stayed out of it. Being a good Samaritan didn't work out to well for him. Another guy who wasn't ready to pull the trigger when the time came. Never draw unless you are ready to use it.

[jeremiah12]

Drawing from cover would have been highly appropriate. Some jerk is shooting a gun and you do not know what is going on. Having your gun at the ready to return fire if necessary is a great idea but do so from cover so you can stay protected.

The good Samaritan had no idea of what was going on, watch from safety and do not run up to the guy and say drop your gun and expect the guy to do so just because you are pointing a gun at him. It could be an undercover cop or someone else defending against a threat to their life or life of a loved one and now you just became a threat and they have the right to defend against you where you have no right to defend against them because they had not threatened you.

The women had already gotten away and the gunman was walking away. Just be a witness and only engage if he becomes a threat to you or you are sure he is a threat to an innocent. At that point shoot, do not say drop your weapon. If you are giving a warning he is not a threat. Make sure though that you do not harm other innocents while engaging the threat though.

Do not carry if you have visions of being a hero or have to think twice before pulling the trigger. Those who have had to do it will tell you there is no feeling the hero that comes from it and the overwhelming majority would rather not had ever been put in that position in the first place. It haunts many for the rest of their life.

[bohoki]

bad move your ccw is to save "you" ,you are not a cop he put himself in harms way

[NorCalAthlete]

is Fort Hood the Florida of the Military?


+1,000,000 on training

Pretty much. Average rent for rooms / apartments out there is around $300-$600 / month, or was when I was there '06-'10. Very high population with a transient lifestyle, from frequent deployments to spouses and girlfriends who are in the club 2 weeks after their man deploys looking for their next benefits package.

Drawing from cover would have been highly appropriate. Some jerk is shooting a gun and you do not know what is going on. Having your gun at the ready to return fire if necessary is a great idea but do so from cover so you can stay protected.

The good Samaritan had no idea of what was going on, watch from safety and do not run up to the guy and say drop your gun and expect the guy to do so just because you are pointing a gun at him. It could be an undercover cop or someone else defending against a threat to their life or life of a loved one and now you just became a threat and they have the right to defend against you where you have no right to defend against them because they had not threatened you.

The women had already gotten away and the gunman was walking away. Just be a witness and only engage if he becomes a threat to you or you are sure he is a threat to an innocent. At that point shoot, do not say drop your weapon. If you are giving a warning he is not a threat. Make sure though that you do not harm other innocents while engaging the threat though.

Do not carry if you have visions of being a hero or have to think twice before pulling the trigger. Those who have had to do it will tell you there is no feeling the hero that comes from it and the overwhelming majority would rather not had ever been put in that position in the first place. It haunts many for the rest of their life.

Decent advice...in California. Texas is a whole different animal, especially when you're talking about a former Marine with a CCW. More likely he figured since it was a targeted shooting and the guy wasn't shooting everyone in sight, he had a chance of ending things peacefully without being forced to end someone else's life. Sort of a "if he's not shooting everyone else inside the store, he probably doesn't WANT to shoot anyone else and will be reluctant to use his gun on me when he sees I am also armed." Sadly didn't work out this time.

That being said, re: don't engage since he's walking away - wrong. In Texas he'd be fully justified to shoot under roughly the same principles LEOs and others apply here in CA - reasonable assumption that the person is a serious threat to others if they get away. Keep in mind, very recently in another area in the US we just had a fairly high profile "mass shooting" where someone's entire family was shot and killed and the guy drove to each person's home to continue the spree. Perfectly reasonable to think that "well **** this guy just shot a specific person in the store, maybe he's going after someone else next."

[ZombieLivesMatter]

That sucks for the good samaritan, he was a former Marine, business owner, and leaves behind a wife. I agree with others, in the heat of the moment he was trying to be a hero and confronted the guy but hesitates, but instead he should have taken cover armed and assess from there.

[Chewy65]

Whether or not he was justified in using deadly force under Texas law is not the issue, which was it smart for Antell to try to apprehend a shooter who was leaving the scene and did not pose an immediate threat to anyone.

[Saym14]

Whether or not he was justified in using deadly force under Texas law is not the issue, which was it smart for Antell to try to apprehend a shooter who was leaving the scene and did not pose an immediate threat to anyone.

since he is dead I would have to vote: NOT smart

[jeremiah12]

Decent advice...in California. Texas is a whole different animal, especially when you're talking about a former Marine with a CCW. More likely he figured since it was a targeted shooting and the guy wasn't shooting everyone in sight, he had a chance of ending things peacefully without being forced to end someone else's life. Sort of a "if he's not shooting everyone else inside the store, he probably doesn't WANT to shoot anyone else and will be reluctant to use his gun on me when he sees I am also armed." Sadly didn't work out this time.

And he is just as dead in TX as CA as any other state.

Being a Marine with a CCW has little to do with it (once a Marine, always a Marine). The battlefield is very different than dealing with thugs.

Maybe I have had too much experience with thugs but the first cue he was willing to use the gun was he had already fired off shots. The second was he had a gun. Only in movies is a BG reluctant to use a gun on me when he sees I am armed. That is the thinking that got the good Samaritan killed.

Finally, even in TX the good Samaritan would have been in a whole lot of legal trouble had it turned out he was trying to intervene in a justifiable shoot. He did not have all the information.

I took my CCW classes out of CA and it states with laws similar to TX. Even with a CCW you still go to prison if you shoot the wrong person. In my classes I got to hear of real cases that resulted in prosecutions because the CCW holder thought he was being a good Samaritan and ended up shooting the good guy rather than the bad guy.

That is why you do not engage unless it is your life or the lives of your loved ones that are in danger. Be a witness. Be on your cell phone to 911 while it is happening. And if the guy drives off and you feel it is safe, follow at a safe distance so you can let the 911 operator know until LE shows up. Let them straighten out the mess. Then you are not legally exposed. If the person decides to become a threat to you at any time, you are ready to deal with it though.

[Loubot10]

since he is dead I would have to vote: NOT smart

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Some of you guys and your hero delusions are flat out crazy. We're not LE, heck we don't even have the law on our side. We have a right to self defense and a fire arm is meant for life and death.

In my mind, acting as LE will result in either getting shot (by perp or LE), getting arrested, or getting sued. Better be worth it.

[ZombieLivesMatter]

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Some of you guys and your hero delusions are flat out crazy.

In my mind, acting as LE will result in either getting shot (by perp or LE), getting arrested, or getting sued. Better be worth it.

From what I've read in everyone's responses is that we're all level headed here and not delusional, so far everyone has agreed he should not have engaged the suspect.